On 2013-09-18 06:35, Sheraton *XO* wrote:
I also wish to point out that interceptor fighters are being relegated to a purely defensive role in 1.7. They are no longer used to attack ships but to defend against other fighters and missiles so they are useless in a "first strike" capacity.

-Sheraton

On 2013-09-18 06:58, iwancoppa wrote:

Quote: On 2013-09-18 06:32, Sheraton *XO* wrote: Once more, I reinterate that just because the ICC has the lowest number of fighters is not a reason to change the layout IMO. The UGTO have the most fighters on their ships and that is by design. I really don't see the problem with a fleet carrier losing to another carrier. Also, I am against the removal of the pulse shield for any ICC ship since that would be the equivalent of asking us the k'luth to sacrifice their cloak on a ship. Also, do you even know how the pulse shield works? It does not destroy friendly fighters or missiles, and it's range scales with the ship it is on. The dread pulse shield has a larger range than the destroyer pulse shield for instance and fighters DO get into pulse shield range, you must time it correctly to use the pulse shield efficiently. -Sheraton

so you're basically saying you're fine with ICC getting a gimped carrier and you're dead set on having a pretty mediocre special ability on every ship...

Yea right. Just because you don't care about fighters.

On 2013-09-23 06:09, iwancoppa wrote:
Suggestions:

Not going to ask why the M-300 torp dread wastes time with rear launchers.

Variance torpedo explosion effect is a bit boring, needs more flames and fire and explodeyness.

On 2013-09-23 08:05, Sheraton *XO* wrote:
The border cruiser was given a type of nerf when they added armor to it. That aside, why will it cause whining? Just because it can cloak with ecm reasonably well? That is currently true in the release version of Darkspace and it hasn't seemed to cause people much grief, its a harrassment ship meant to engage in hit and run tactics. Now with the new E-War mechanics the other factions have a semi-viable counter to the Border Cruiser in the form of their ECCM ships.

On 2013-09-23 09:04, Talien wrote:

Quote: On 2013-09-23 08:05, Sheraton *XO* wrote: The border cruiser was given a type of nerf when they added armor to it. That aside, why will it cause whining? Just because it can cloak with ecm reasonably well? That is currently true in the release version of Darkspace and it hasn't seemed to cause people much grief, its a harrassment ship meant to engage in hit and run tactics. Now with the new E-War mechanics the other factions have a semi-viable counter to the Border Cruiser in the form of their ECCM ships.

What he said. BC lost 5 turn rate from getting 1 armor, that is a huge nerf. As far as whining, well, people whined and cried about it much like the Missile Frigates, then ECM was nerfed and people could no longer use it to fire while keeping negative sig. ECM is more useful in 1.7 but I'm sure people will still whine and cry about being shot at by ships they can't see and demand nerfs instead of using ECCM to counter it like happened previously with the MF and BC.

Staying hidding is much easier than trying to unmask someone with ECCM, hence why those previous cases you stated were nerfed. The MF could stay hidden indefinitately and never be countered, which was why it was nerfed, and anything like this will be nerfed, like the Ganglia many versions ago that could stay hidden via ECM and cloak anternately and fire missiles/fighters until the cows came home. You could never catch it, and so it created an imbalanced frustration with the opposite party unable to do anything.

It's all very well saying "instead of using ECCM to counter", but it's not quite as black and white as that.

On 2013-09-23 17:17, iwancoppa wrote:
I suspect the border will cause rage because, stock, it can raise your sig by 18 and apply decent DPS out to 1500gu. Oh, and those shields will regen quickly in the face of fire from smaller vessels, too.

The flagship dread is way more useful then the carrier dread. It's a combat dread sans ions but command gadgets. A *combat* command, if you'll have it.

4 torpedos to the rear on the torp dread sounds like an utter waste of time. You won't hurt much with 4 launchers, better to have them on the front for a better frontal alpha.



Even if fighterbay energy useage isn't scaled as extremely as cannons, I still think it's fair to scale the energy useage based on how the faction performs. Can't pick and choose faction advantages/disadvantages at will, that causes unbalanced scrapheaps like the current release version.


Also expecting range ENH combat dreads shooting over 2100gu to cause rage against UGTO stations with max missile range of 1875.
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On 2013-09-24 04:54, iwancoppa wrote:
With the border cruiser, using ECM is useless. When you're in the long range boat, there is little point hiding - chances are your shorter ranged enemies will try to hide from you. Also, Cloakies.

The border cruiser has faster shield recharge because it has dual layered shields instead of the usual single layer.

Just because fighter bay energy useage really only affects signature raise doesn't mean that they should not accurately reflect faction traits. Across the board Luth weapons use more, ICC use less and UGTO in the middle. Considering that fighter damage reflects the faction 3-way balance(Luth > UGTO > ICC) It's a bit unfair that other elements of the 3-way balance are not applied to fighter bays.


Yes, enhancements might skew things. UGTO long range missiles might not be 1875. I put it in a post earlier - the important point; They are less then 2000. Besides, I'm sure people will have higher priorities then range mods on a battle station.

On 2013-09-24 05:13, Fluttershy wrote:

Pleaaaase can we allow for directed devices to have a small radius of effect around their target? It would allow for them to scale up just as well as the frigate and scout devices, but they wouldn't be flat-out better due to the small radius and lengthy reaquisition time.
[ This Message was edited by: Fluttershy on 2013-09-24 05:18 ]