On 2013-10-21 18:41, Pantheon wrote:
I just commited a change to beta in regards to visibility of ships. Now velocity of the contact is taken into consideration. So now a scout at negative sig going 32+ gu/s at 50 gu away isn't invisible. This should keep all players happy, keeping visibility a decent tool to use, but not too powerful.

Please test.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo on 2013-10-21 23:35 ]

On 2013-10-21 23:34, Kenny_Naboo wrote:

Quote: On 2013-10-21 18:41, Pantheon wrote: I just commited a change to beta in regards to visibility of ships. Now velocity of the contact is taken into consideration. So now a scout at negative sig going 32+ gu/s at 50 gu away isn't invisible. This should keep all players happy, keeping visibility a decent tool to use, but not too powerful. Please test. [ This Message was edited by: iwancoppa on 2013-10-22 02:30 ]

Now that IS an interesting idea.


Actually I do have one more suggestion.
I really don't know how much coding this will take, or if it is viable. So pls hear me out and let me know.

ECM and ECCM affects visibility. But in the real world (yes I know this is not the real world, but again, bear with me) ... ECM is simply a jammer that degrades your radar/scanners. And ECCM is the counter to it that will burn through the jamming.

In either way, radiating ECM or ECCM makes your presence known, even if the other side is unable to track you. What I propose is to add in a new device to all the ships in the game. All ships should have an ESM sensing gear. The ESM gear is designed to detect EW activity.

In short, if an enemy turns on ECM, Scanners, or ECCM, the ESM gear should light up on the HUD of opposing-side players in range. You may not be able to detect or acquire a target lock on that ship, but the moment your ESM gear lights up, you KNOW there's EW activity.... and enemy presence... in your vicinity. It's now up to you to search for it.

We can put this ESM indicator on the bottom left panel, next to the weapons... or the bottom right, next to the target info.

This works for scenarios like these:
- Helps humans detect the presence of cloaked Kluth with ECM support
- Helps defenders detect the presence of ECM-stealthed bombers

Now, the range that your ESM gear can detect the enemy EW activity can be done in two ways
- Dependent on the range of the EW device. Once in range, it simply lights up
Or:
- Like in the real world, your radar and EW device can be detected much further out than their effective range. We can implement this such that EW can be detected at twice their useful range.
i.e. Your ECM has a range of 400gus, but ESM gear can detect it at 800GUs.


What do you guys think?

On 2013-10-22 00:01, iwancoppa wrote:

Quote: On 2013-10-21 23:34, Kenny_Naboo wrote: Quote: On 2013-10-21 18:41, Pantheon wrote: I just commited a change to beta in regards to visibility of ships. Now velocity of the contact is taken into consideration. So now a scout at negative sig going 32+ gu/s at 50 gu away isn't invisible. This should keep all players happy, keeping visibility a decent tool to use, but not too powerful. Please test. [ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo on 2013-10-22 06:58 ] Now that IS an interesting idea. Actually I do have one more suggestion. I really don't know how much coding this will take, or if it is viable. So pls hear me out and let me know. ECM and ECCM affects visibility. But in the real world (yes I know this is not the real world, but again, bear with me) ... ECM is simply a jammer that degrades your radar/scanners. And ECCM is the counter to it that will burn through the jamming. In either way, radiating ECM or ECCM makes your presence known, even if the other side is unable to track you. What I propose is to add in a new device to all the ships in the game. All ships should have an ESM sensing gear. The ESM gear is designed to detect EW activity. In short, if an enemy turns on ECM, Scanners, or ECCM, the ESM gear should light up on the HUD of opposing-side players in range. You may not be able to detect or acquire a target lock on that ship, but the moment your ESM gear lights up, you KNOW there's EW activity.... and enemy presence... in your vicinity. It's now up to you to search for it. We can put this ESM indicator on the bottom left panel, next to the weapons... or the bottom right, next to the target info. This works for scenarios like these: - Helps humans detect the presence of cloaked Kluth with ECM support - Helps defenders detect the presence of ECM-stealthed bombers Now, the range that your ESM gear can detect the enemy EW activity can be done in two ways - Dependent on the range of the EW device. Once in range, it simply lights up Or: - Like in the real world, your radar and EW device can be detected much further out than their effective range. We can implement this such that EW can be detected at twice their useful range. i.e. Your ECM has a range of 400gus, but ESM gear can detect it at 800GUs. What do you guys think?

Yes.


EVEN BETTER: ESM detectability scales with how much EWAR you're spamming.

Using ECM finally gains a skill based mechanic - using enough to stay negative but not so much that you're a beacon for ESM-equipped ships.

On 2013-10-22 12:05, Azreal wrote:
Where is the general area eccm?

As K'Luth, my ECCM is for use against a target, but I cant raise the signature in the area in general, in order for my PD cruiser (mirage) to actually see the warheads to PD them. THIS was the flaw that I faced the other day, I didnt realize it at the time.

So that limits us to plats and planetary sensor bases in order to raise signature enough to see bombs/missles when the enemy spams them with ecm.

On 2013-10-22 12:05, Azreal wrote:
Where is the general area eccm?

As K'Luth, my ECCM is for use against a target, but I cant raise the signature in the area in general, in order for my PD cruiser (mirage) to actually see the warheads to PD them. THIS was the flaw that I faced the other day, I didnt realize it at the time.

So that limits us to plats and planetary sensor bases in order to raise signature enough to see bombs/missles when the enemy spams them with ecm.

On 2013-10-22 12:05, Azreal wrote:
Where is the general area eccm?

As K'Luth, my ECCM is for use against a target, but I cant raise the signature in the area in general, in order for my PD cruiser (mirage) to actually see the warheads to PD them. THIS was the flaw that I faced the other day, I didnt realize it at the time.

So that limits us to plats and planetary sensor bases in order to raise signature enough to see bombs/missles when the enemy spams them with ecm.

pointless arguements at stone walls

On 2013-10-22 17:52, Ent wrote:
Only bomber frigates have the ECM to hide their own bombs. In order for larger ships to hide their bombs, they need an outside source in order to hide them.

Why should a point defense cruiser nullify two ships? (or more). And it is a genuine question. If a bomber has several ECM frigates hiding its bombs, should a single cruiser have the EWAR to mitigate it?

You could have a minimum visible range for projectiles, as well as for ships. It would make point defense perfectly effective, however.

You could make just bombs have a minimum visible range, which might be fairier, however.



[ This Message was edited by: Ent on 2013-10-22 17:55 ]