On 2010-07-04 08:33, Alanstar wrote:
I love the arguement against the fact that it takes so many ICC Ships to take out an single Kluth. Let alone an station that could cloak in the midst of the fight and repair itself. Funny that we are forced to bring out scouts and sensor ships just to counter you guys?

I am not talking about taking away your abilites, but give ICC weapons to take you guys on. UGTO close range ships and ICC long range (AKA Missiles). ICC is easier target for Kluth because our main combat ability is missiles and those missiles explode into pretty little plums as soon as you guys cloak.

Figures why ICC is the only one being hammered hard by the Kluth as of lately because we can't mount an effect counter offense against you guys or barely even an defense. We been working as a team, heck, I bee throwing myself into the battle even though I know I am going to die because I was doing what another teammate told me to do. I also try to give my teammates cover whenever I can.

Nobody wants to spend a whole day just firing off blank shots into space, hoping you would hit an Kluth and find out that your only way to counter them has became useless. 3 Beacons only? Maybe up it 5 because the developers introduced stealth module.

Sorry to say, your arguements seem more like you guys want to keep the advance over ICC so you can get easy prestige. I don't QQ unless it is really almost impossible to fight another faction. To you guys, you guys gain more kills then deaths because of an simple little feature that allows you to hide "DIRECTLY" in the battlefield and repair.

Oh yeah, I love how you guys are pushing us out every system except our home system. I have an feeling it is going to be next. The servers don't lie. Next time an developer leaps on, take a look how badly the ICC is taking an beating from the Kluth.

On 2010-07-04 10:08, Lark of Serenity wrote:
id like to point out that many kluth players have said "zomg come play as us and youll see how bad it is" yet havent offered to come play as ICC or UGTO to demonstrate how easy they seem to think it is to kill them.

i also find it rather amusing that we're told to use better tactics by kluth to fight them, but they complain about eccm forts reducing cloak time... so you know the minelayer frigate has ecm on it right?

its also an absolute fact that kluth players die less frequently than UGTO and ICC. that in and of itself is an issue.

On 2010-07-04 10:08, Wild Cat wrote:

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On 2010-07-04 08:14, Leopard wrote: I do think cloak can use a few adjustments, it certainly should not be so damn effective at countering missiles and fighters that even the ICC's Pulse Wave sucks by comparison.

If missiles instead of blowing up, turn in to dumb fire and continue to home in on the last known location, this would make more sense then self destructing.

Would the Cloaked ship remain still he will be hit, if he large and not very quick on the feet I may still get hit.


For fighters, instead of returning, the shouldl engage an other target (nearest to them)

On 2010-07-04 11:22, Leopard wrote:

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On 2010-07-04 10:08, Lark of Serenity wrote: its also an absolute fact that kluth players die less frequently than UGTO and ICC. that in and of itself is an issue.

QFT.

You know, a really good way for the developers to figure out balance would be for the game to run a counter in the Metaverse, how many ships are killed on average and by what types of ships. For example, it would show that 10 UGTO Dreadnoughts were killed, 3 by Missile Dread, 3 by EAD, 2 by Siphon, and 2 by Missile Frigate.

While it would not be perfect, I think one of the first things the developers would notice would be that Kluth ships hardly ever die in comparison to UGTO or ICC ships.

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are you not paying attention at all? how many non kluth have posted on this very topic about how balanced kluth is. Even giving their own insights in to strategies effective v kluth.

There is a lot of disagreement and arguments over this particular subject, there are a lot of non-Kluth and Kluth veterans whom also think that Kluth actually do have it easy.
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On 2010-07-04 12:13, Azure Prower wrote:
I've been playing Kluth a lot. I take out ICC dreads with ease. UGTO are a little harder, but still doable if you focus on one side of their armor.

It is nice to also be able to pick and choose your fights as well as be ambush immune. Not have to blind shoot at all. They don't need any thing other than damage dealing ships and some one to take turns with to absorb the damage.

I would sign up to Kluth in a flash since many "vets" think they are fine. Only thing holding me back is my fleet.

On 2010-07-03 05:05, Diep Luc wrote:

And please, don't nerf Krill. It's not the ship, it's GA with gold star and bronze privateer skillful enough to kill Admiral. Necrotic has implied many times "nobody can nerf the skill" and he's damn correct.

On 2010-07-04 15:04, Fatal PadmaVajra wrote:
2cents-
Sure looks like Kluth is powerful, beams and all...but basically, the other night when they were effectively dominating ICC space, what I saw more than their numbers, were the number of ICC whiners who were complaining about being dominated.

It was an admission by those ICC players that Kluth are better than them.

Let me repeat that....

The Whining....is a confession of defeat.


After getting tired of hearing it, several vets laid out a plan and began to erode that great dominance. The ICC players in the round at that moment know what tactics were being uses, whined some more then followed the plan presented by Vets. This plan succeeded in dividing the Kluth, slowed their momentum and eroded their dominance of the MV at that moment.

These InstaAdmirals who kept flying Missle Dreads and the like were useless and embarrassing.

Kluth can be beaten, should be beaten.

When one of the kluth members, also a Vet, asked me if I thought they needed to back off...I said clearly, and they can quote me, "Don't you dare!"

If you want ignorant AI fighting, buy a video game.
This is a community of players, start acting like it please.

To the Kluth and Uggies, bring your best game every time or I will hunt you down and lecture you.

Grand Admiral PadmaVajra
Fatal Squadron of ICC

On 2010-07-04 10:08, Lark of Serenity wrote:
id like to point out that many kluth players have said "zomg come play as us and youll see how bad it is" yet havent offered to come play as ICC or UGTO to demonstrate how easy they seem to think it is to kill them.

i also find it rather amusing that we're told to use better tactics by kluth to fight them, but they complain about eccm forts reducing cloak time... so you know the minelayer frigate has ecm on it right?

its also an absolute fact that kluth players die less frequently than UGTO and ICC. that in and of itself is an issue.

On 2010-07-04 15:04, Fatal PadmaVajra wrote:

These InstaAdmirals who kept flying Missle Dreads and the like were useless and embarrassing.

On 2010-07-04 15:04, Fatal PadmaVajra wrote:
2cents-
Sure looks like Kluth is powerful, beams and all...but basically, the other night when they were effectively dominating ICC space, what I saw more than their numbers, were the number of ICC whiners who were complaining about being dominated.

It was an admission by those ICC players that Kluth are better than them.

Let me repeat that....

The Whining....is a confession of defeat.


After getting tired of hearing it, several vets laid out a plan and began to erode that great dominance. The ICC players in the round at that moment know what tactics were being uses, whined some more then followed the plan presented by Vets. This plan succeeded in dividing the Kluth, slowed their momentum and eroded their dominance of the MV at that moment.

These InstaAdmirals who kept flying Missle Dreads and the like were useless and embarrassing.

Kluth can be beaten, should be beaten.

When one of the kluth members, also a Vet, asked me if I thought they needed to back off...I said clearly, and they can quote me, "Don't you dare!"

If you want ignorant AI fighting, buy a video game.
This is a community of players, start acting like it please.

To the Kluth and Uggies, bring your best game every time or I will hunt you down and lecture you.

Grand Admiral PadmaVajra
Fatal Squadron of ICC

On 2010-07-04 17:12, Necrotic wrote:

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On 2010-07-04 10:08, Lark of Serenity wrote: id like to point out that many kluth players have said "zomg come play as us and youll see how bad it is" yet havent offered to come play as ICC or UGTO to demonstrate how easy they seem to think it is to kill them. i also find it rather amusing that we're told to use better tactics by kluth to fight them, but they complain about eccm forts reducing cloak time... so you know the minelayer frigate has ecm on it right? its also an absolute fact that kluth players die less frequently than UGTO and ICC. that in and of itself is an issue.

i have said this many times if icc and kluth switched places the result would be the same. I would certainly do this if it was worth it to us just to prove once again icc is not weak v anyone.

perhaps we can work of a wager? draw out a a set of conditions that would garrentee a victor and of course need a reward to the winner at the expense of the looser.

if icc were to draw this up i would more the happy to participate in proving once and for all that icc is neither weak and kluth is not op. Of course i enjoy a challenge but does icc?

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