On 2010-07-05 11:29, Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny ] wrote:
@Wild Cat

Im far from saying that most Ugto or Icc don't know what their doing, ive been in lots of fights where they use scouts and other methods of counter the cloak. And ive seen many great pilots beat us with using those tactics.

But the address of this post is that some people don't know how to do these things, don't know what to do in battle, and hence why they come to the forum and whining. Those people that aren't whining in these forums are generally those that know how to fight, know how to win battles and know how to counter cloak.

General it isn't hard to find players in MV/sag. Ugto usually sit at a depot planet and waiting for something to happen, and Icc usually meet up at these places.

When im playing kluth i often see someone camping outside one of these said planets and awaiting for something to happend, somethimes we get bored and go in to battle. Ofc these are all depending on the situation in the mv that constantly changes.

The waiting part is just one tactic we use.

On 2010-07-03 02:39, Azure Prower wrote:
So you disagree the above 3v3 scenarios are indeed not favourable to Kluth?

On 2010-07-05 19:56, Meehan wrote:
You see i like playing luth more and i play the other two factions and learn how people like you and how the ships are flown so i know how to better counter them when i am playing as a luth.

So i know i have played sides how about you?

On 2010-07-05 12:46, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
Luth have disadvantage in very large scale fights.

An SS, BS, BD, and EAD worked well against 2 Mandis, Siphon, Krill, Scale

On 2010-07-03 22:13, Lonectzn wrote:
While I don't think K'luth are over-powered, I really do not agree with the suggestions that they are better organised than the other factions. That's just an illusion. K'luth players are actually mostly soloers. The cloak makes playing K'luth very forgiving - mistakes are more often not fatal, you get much more time to make decisions and pick your location.

On 2010-07-07 20:59, Marius Falix wrote:

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On 2010-07-03 22:13, Lonectzn wrote: While I don't think K'luth are over-powered, I really do not agree with the suggestions that they are better organised than the other factions. That's just an illusion. K'luth players are actually mostly soloers. The cloak makes playing K'luth very forgiving - mistakes are more often not fatal, you get much more time to make decisions and pick your location.

agreed.

but most of ICC have been destroyed and it takes only one dread to take us down as we are few in numbers.
its a damn shame.
anyone screws up, we are toast (due to a K'Luth dread hiding behind every theoretical corner), then it takes say 5 minutes to get back to the "fleet" (5 ships at best recently), even longer to repair.

getting ships is also a pain in the ass due to the lack of planets. we rely heavily on gates, and we need the bigger ships for lower lvls to rally behind.
if theres a station (we hope) or a dread we usually follow orders from them and do what we can. (well a few of us)
the people with the skill to fight the K'luth and ships are usually protecting us from the other big ass ships.(who ever is around, and shielding us)
we cant do much. we try. but you usually bring in some of your own lil ships to kill us.


also we cant just ping a K'luth dread, itd jump away as soon as it was in danger say 30% hull. (if its by itself)
(and many of us dont have the fire power recently anyways)

i admit im new. been playing a few days and just noticed K'Luth can EASILY destroy us now.

i think K'luth are just a pain in the ass, we just need a better/ more effecient way of countering that god damn cloak.

yes this does reflect greatly the situation on Sag ICC (we are disadvantaged and im trying to not let that make me biased)


EDIT: OH! and please please please stop tranny rushing. a few dreads covering ONE transport (same one running back from a nearby planet) on... Ooi(?).
we couldnt stop it. every time we pinged it a dread would run interferance.
we could tell you were just toying with us then .
we wacthed as you burned queenie to the ground last night (razed).
lovely of you.
[ This Message was edited by: Marius Falix on 2010-07-07 21:11 ]

On 2010-07-07 22:08, Alanstar wrote:
1.) Kluth Cloaking and Pinging

Playing on Kluth is definitely considered as most players say, “Easy Mode”, because it is very forgiving for mistakes if you make them. If you uncloak and get jumped by 5 dreadnoughts, you could easily move away and activate ECM + Cloak, clean get-a-way! Even if this 5 dreadnoughts have ECM running so your re-cloaking takes long, there is an enhancement (Stealth Module) that counters that .

Stealth Module – It lowers the signature and shortens the time that it takes to cloak, also lowers maneoverability and thrust. No big deal, speed and maneoverability doesn’t really matter if you are in no danger of being shot while being cloaked. Fighting Kluth in Scenario is balanced because noone has stealth module, but in Metaverse it is not because of this.

2.) Kluth’s ECM

On the contrary to popular belief, the ECM running on an Kluth is Blue, and it is damn near hard to see in the black background if your team is in disarray because the Kluth are picking off your teammates one by one. Even if the player looks on the F2 screen to see the rings of the Kluth dreadnoughts, it means taking an risk of being shot or falling behind their allies if they are grouping together.

Sadily the ECM spreads to other members in the group, so the more dreadnoughts or crusiers or destroyers avaliable, the less likely the they will be killed. I have and a few others have been killed trying to fight them this way, which is at best, very counter productive instead of giving a advantage.

3.) Kluth Transport + Cloaking

Defenses from planets that are spent hours worked on are easily bypassed by the Kluths’ ability to cloak their transports, getting withing 100 GU of the planet’s surface to drop an clean drop of 10 troops. Take this with three to four Kluth Transport doing this, it would be almost unstoppable tranny rush. The ultimate tranny rush because you don’t have to avoid defense or enemy ships, you could just sneak up and drop the transports.

ICC has been completely pushed out of Sagittarius because of this reason alone, while they are trying to atleast defend themselves from Kluth onslaught of ships. They even tried posting ships up to defend their planets, but under their nose, the transports capture planet and turn it against them. More times then not, they have used this ability to capture dreadnoughts and stations. This is really almost the ultimate way to defeat the enemy with the Kluth. They don’t even need dreadnoughts, just capture ships and planets to push all factions out.

Don’t get me wrong, I am going to offer a few suggestions that could help even the odds to UGTO and ICC to deal with Kluth. Here is an couple of ideas for fix.

1.) Release an Enhancement for ECCM effect to balance out the game.

2.) Change the Color of ECM effect or make an new tech that could increase the visual of it (Infared scanner.)

3.) Remove cloaking from the transport or add new type of defense to fight against them.
[ This Message was edited by: Alanstar on 2010-07-07 22:23 ]

On 2010-07-08 09:05, Shath wrote:

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On 2010-07-07 22:08, Alanstar wrote: 1.) Kluth Cloaking and Pinging Playing on Kluth is definitely considered as most players say, “Easy Mode”, because it is very forgiving for mistakes if you make them. If you uncloak and get jumped by 5 dreadnoughts, you could easily move away and activate ECM + Cloak, clean get-a-way! Even if this 5 dreadnoughts have ECM running so your re-cloaking takes long, there is an enhancement (Stealth Module) that counters that . Stealth Module – It lowers the signature and shortens the time that it takes to cloak, also lowers maneoverability and thrust. No big deal, speed and maneoverability doesn’t really matter if you are in no danger of being shot while being cloaked. Fighting Kluth in Scenario is balanced because noone has stealth module, but in Metaverse it is not because of this. 2.) Kluth’s ECM On the contrary to popular belief, the ECM running on an Kluth is Blue, and it is damn near hard to see in the black background if your team is in disarray because the Kluth are picking off your teammates one by one. Even if the player looks on the F2 screen to see the rings of the Kluth dreadnoughts, it means taking an risk of being shot or falling behind their allies if they are grouping together. Sadily the ECM spreads to other members in the group, so the more dreadnoughts or crusiers or destroyers avaliable, the less likely the they will be killed. I have and a few others have been killed trying to fight them this way, which is at best, very counter productive instead of giving a advantage. 3.) Kluth Transport + Cloaking Defenses from planets that are spent hours worked on are easily bypassed by the Kluths’ ability to cloak their transports, getting withing 100 GU of the planet’s surface to drop an clean drop of 10 troops. Take this with three to four Kluth Transport doing this, it would be almost unstoppable tranny rush. The ultimate tranny rush because you don’t have to avoid defense or enemy ships, you could just sneak up and drop the transports. ICC has been completely pushed out of Sagittarius because of this reason alone, while they are trying to atleast defend themselves from Kluth onslaught of ships. They even tried posting ships up to defend their planets, but under their nose, the transports capture planet and turn it against them. More times then not, they have used this ability to capture dreadnoughts and stations. This is really almost the ultimate way to defeat the enemy with the Kluth. They don’t even need dreadnoughts, just capture ships and planets to push all factions out. Don’t get me wrong, I am going to offer a few suggestions that could help even the odds to UGTO and ICC to deal with Kluth. Here is an couple of ideas for fix. 1.) Release an Enhancement for ECCM effect to balance out the game. 2.) Change the Color of ECM effect or make an new tech that could increase the visual of it (Infared scanner.) 3.) Remove cloaking from the transport or add new type of defense to fight against them. [ This Message was edited by: Alanstar on 2010-07-07 22:23 ]

hm ur first two ideas are good...but trust me planet defenses dont usualy pop a tranny b4 it drops cloaked or not so the cloak on tranny dosnt make too much a differencer