On 2011-05-01 14:52, The Fridge wrote:

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- Halved the damage and doubled the fire rate of all core weapons (Stellar Incinerator, QST, Ion Cannon) - effectively reduces single volley damage while keeping the overall DPS of these weapons. Ammo has been adjusted where applicable.

Surely the opposite is needed.

Core weapons are the Grand daddy's of the cannons.
There designed to get past the thick armour and hull of Capital ship/Dreadnoughts and stations.

Increasing rof will lead to them hitting smaller ships easier as they'll be more of them to dodge.
Ion's now make walls of undodgeable fire. where as before you could somewhat "dupe" them into the other direction. but now they fire so fast that they are following your dodging path even more precisly. This is the same for krill's SI and probably the Uggies EAD.

Sure this means there is more, bigger bangs = more action.
But it's not needed.



Plus no word on velocity bug?
[ This Message was edited by: The Fridge on 2011-05-01 16:29 ]

On 2011-05-04 17:17, Azreal (Ret) wrote:
So, if I am reading this correctly, if you have a core weapon, you fire it twice as fast, for half the damage? So...really nothing has changed much there.

BUT, what about the energy usage? Has it been changed? I sincerely hope not. I want to see these machine gun QST - and SI-ers flopping around for energy. You KNOW they will just stack rate of fire enhancements on their ships.

Also, I don't get the removal of bombs from the TOP trannies. Its as if we aren't supposed to use them. They actually had a purpose for a change that worked well with the game. Its not as if trannies were op. I understand this desire to specialize everything, but I still don't see this large player base that ya'll seem to keep imagining is here to do all this specialization with. All it will do is make a person have to swap his bomber scout or frig for a tranny after he takes out your inf. I can see it slowing things down, but I hardly see that as an improvement.

And for torps. Splash seems ok, speed is nice, still need the damned tracking back tho.

On 2011-05-04 18:06, BackSlash wrote:

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On 2011-05-04 17:17, Azreal (Ret) wrote: So, if I am reading this correctly, if you have a core weapon, you fire it twice as fast, for half the damage? So...really nothing has changed much there. BUT, what about the energy usage? Has it been changed? I sincerely hope not. I want to see these machine gun QST - and SI-ers flopping around for energy. You KNOW they will just stack rate of fire enhancements on their ships. Also, I don't get the removal of bombs from the TOP trannies. Its as if we aren't supposed to use them. They actually had a purpose for a change that worked well with the game. Its not as if trannies were op. I understand this desire to specialize everything, but I still don't see this large player base that ya'll seem to keep imagining is here to do all this specialization with. All it will do is make a person have to swap his bomber scout or frig for a tranny after he takes out your inf. I can see it slowing things down, but I hardly see that as an improvement. And for torps. Splash seems ok, speed is nice, still need the damned tracking back tho.

The RoF is based on how much energy per tick a gadget charges and what it's maximum charge is. IE, if a weapon has 1000 energy cost and 10 charge rate, it would take 100 ticks for it to charge.

All we did was half the energy cost and half the damage, so the energy cost for core's is still very high. This was done so that smaller ships have an easier time dodging core weapon hits. Firing them, whilst looking neat and machine gun-like, will find yourself running out of energy at the same rate.

As far as tracking torps go, I'd love to add it back, but the game doesn't really allow for it, as once the target disapears (via ECM, Cloak, or other means) the projectiles do to. At some point in time I might delve into the smart projectile code and see if I can make it head along the last known trajectory, but it's a lot of code to change and I'm not familiar with it; so for now, you'll have to do with the increased accuracy - I hope this is enough.

On 2011-05-04 22:33, Jim Starluck wrote:
Yeah, sure, Defiance, whatever.

No ship has more than 8 missiles on the new layouts. 65% of 8 is an average of 5 missiles taken out, leaving you 3 to shoot down yourself. Everything from Destroyer on up has at least 2 full-arc beams, leaving just one missile.

Jack and I tested this in Beta, with me in a UGTO Missile Cruiser and him in an ICC Assault Cruiser. Between this and the high effectiveness of point-defenses I could barely touch him.



Cry some more.

On 2011-05-04 22:03, Defiance*XO* wrote:
Pulse Wave now only affects the enemy's projectiles and has a 65% chance of destroying each projectile it hits.


NO!!!

why??



you mean, it only has a 65% chance of destroying each projectile it hits... LAME

if this is some side affect of not hitting freindly projectiles take it back.


... at the rate this game is going, in a few patches your camera will be locked to top down veiw, zoomed out, game play spead up 10x, and some cheasy techno music playing as you rabish enemies arcade style
[ This Message was edited by: Defiance*XO* on 2011-05-04 22:06 ]

On 2011-05-05 00:18, Defiance*XO* wrote:
Whatever guys. What were loosing in defence is traded to
>ugto firepower.

you know what they say. best defence is a good offence.

I recoment replacing full arc beams (at least two of) with pulse beams to negate the new pulse sheild shortcoming. Workes great.

also as was pointed out to me, Your pulse sheild no longer killes friendly tgts, so were free to use it more often. This is overall a +.

Great job Jim.

sorry about my initial responce.. but i posted that befor we talked about it.

Also ping reveals 0 sig fighters

On 2011-05-04 16:06, BackSlash wrote:
All weapons have a point value with the new layout scheme, based on their intended usefulness. When we changed a lot of ships, what we saw were that ships with a heavy use of a certain weapon weren't as useful as we had thought (Torpedoes for example). We're addressing this by buffing or nerfing the weapons to where their point value reflects their usefulness.

I should also mention that, and by no means does this mean it was changed so UGTO could be uber, we also discovered that a number of UGTO ships (namely the Missile-based ones) were totally useless against ICC because of the Pulse Wave. This goes some way to remedy that issue, and to restore glorious balance into the game!

On 2011-04-30 20:59, BackSlash wrote:
Due to the speed and range of F torps, they don't require a splash. However due to the lower speed of the P torps (only 5 gu/s faster than the AM) and the 20%~ less damage compared to the AM torp, it makes sense to give the P torp some splash, since they're expected to be used further out in engagements when compared to the K'luth.