On 2010-07-07 09:35, Diep Luc wrote:

Also, I want to notice that from now on, launching ship at SY can be a secret way to sabotage: killing all the res without making attention to the faction.

On 2010-07-07 08:05, Shigernafy wrote:
We can probably up the planet storage slightly and increase mine rates to reduce the wait between ships slightly. But we won't make it pointless, as the entire idea behind this change was to encourage small ship use, since the infrastructure needed to sustain frequent spawning of capital ships (dreads/stations) creates a weakness in a faction's planets. Its all trade offs.

On 2010-07-07 10:22, MrSparkle wrote:

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On 2010-07-07 08:05, Shigernafy wrote: We can probably up the planet storage slightly and increase mine rates to reduce the wait between ships slightly. But we won't make it pointless, as the entire idea behind this change was to encourage small ship use, since the infrastructure needed to sustain frequent spawning of capital ships (dreads/stations) creates a weakness in a faction's planets. Its all trade offs.

It seems the entire idea behind this change was that it was the easiest way to force people to use smaller ships, even though people like me were saying the day it was proposed that it would create big problems and lots of player frustration.

I had once proposed a "ship class lockout" if you were destroyed in combat, meaning you had to wait a while (maybe 30 minutes) before spawning another ship of the same class - only applying to stations, dreads, cruisers and destroyers. If your station gets blown up, you have to fly a different ship class for a while before you can spawn another station. Each class has a separate timer, so if your station is destroyed and 10 minutes later your dread is, each countdown is separate. You can always fly the smaller ships.

Something like that does not create the frustration that the current system does, with stations using up an entire planet's worth of resources, not enough room to build mines because those planets are very easily bombed/capped, some people mining for their ships while others wait at ship select screen to steal those resources, and enemies camping gates and shipyards because now there's no way to stop them because ships use resources. Any faction now that loses a large battle can be so crippled it could be eliminated entirely from Sag.

There's a few of us who have been around a long time who knew exactly what this resource system would do, and you did it anyway.

Forcing players to use smaller ships in this way is not the answer. Forcing people to mine for resources that someone else might steal is bad and always has been. The engineering system does not adequately allow for mines on a properly-defended planet so relying on mines is asking for defeat.

In short: the game in it's current state does not support this resource system and players will continue to get frustrated. Not good.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
Station spam.
Dreadspace.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
SY abuse.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
Avoiding tranny rush from the nearest SY.
No more fast travel to strategic points.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
Now transfer gates will work as they meant to be.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
Planets become more important element of ds again.
More build diversity on planets.

On 2010-07-07 12:10, Pakhos wrote:
No more throwing entire garage to enemy.

On 2010-07-07 12:49, Leopard wrote:
I think it would have been better to massively increase the amount of res loss Dreadnoughts and Stations give. This way, flying bigger ships means constantly playing a high risk, high reward game.

On 2010-07-07 15:04, BackSlash wrote:
Personally, I'm toying with different mineral pools for each ship hull.

For example:

Scouts would use metals, which are abundant and come in copious amounts.
Dreads use Heavy Metals, which can be found on a few planets, but mined very slowly.
Stations would utilise Darkmatter, which is insanely rare, and very slow mine rate.

This way you would be forced to build up an infrastructure. In a new MV or system, the planet would have low resources, and so be difficult to spawn many large ships quickly. For already established systems, the resources would be there on each planet due to them already being mined, but would deplete quickly due to high cost and slow mine rate.

On 2010-07-07 06:20, Kenny_Naboo wrote:
This makes defending your turf vital. You NEED to defend your Terran worlds

[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo on 2010-07-07 06:21 ]

On 2010-07-07 13:49, Enterprise wrote:
Tried that once, just kept people out of big ships altogether.




-Ent

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Personally, I'm toying with different mineral pools for each ship hull.