- Due to popular request, death cost has been doubled for all ships across the board (except ships that have no resource cost).

The more the smaller ships are tweaked to accomodate the veterans who know how to use them, the more insane they are for a new player to get the hang of. You can start a new character if you want to, and start all over again. You will say, I don't see a problem. That's right, you don't. You really can't forget how to use the ship, can you? The newer players don't have that going for them, and it is a lot to ask for somebody to come in and learn to fly those weak pea shooters under those circumstances, and at that with a lowered pres gain. I'm not saying it is impossible now to do, I am asking, however, how fun is it for the person trying?

On 2011-04-04 23:14, Azreal wrote:

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On 2011-04-04 07:38, JBud wrote: LOL! This coming from someone with 500k prestige. I believe you are just angry you didn't get to 1 million before the change. Prestige gain is so much more ridiculous than that, too. you gain 130 prestige for killing a mere cruiser. I think you need to do your homework before making wild assumptions. And Geja is right, this is a bit early to do a headcount. (5-9am on a monday) people are at work and school. derp.

1. I have never complained about the pres gain people got. I have never seen more fighting in the mv than I have over the last year, and I relate it to less fear over pres lost. I like it, as this is supposed to be a PvP game.

2. I earned my pres over 7 years, and not by farming. I have never been known to farm anything other than enhancements. Even then, I generally only went after the elites, and not the other ai.

3. I think I'm #2 or #3 in deaths now. That wouldnt change if I was still playing. I never cared before, I wouldn't start now. I'm not exactly known for jumping out of a fight. For the last year, I get in an engagement, I'm there till I kill, I die, or the other guy runs off. This has nothing to do with me.

4. My fear is that NEW players (the life blood of ANY AND EVERY GAME) will most likely be turned off.

5. The number I said (whatever it was 6 people in mv) I didnt give a headcount. It was a flashback to .483 days. That's a time when many of the people who now populate the top lists (and a few of those in this thread) were simply not there for. In those days, I could log in at PEAK times and find under ten people in the game. I am always looking at the number of new players that come in and stay. Always.

6. DS is not the same game as before. AI, enhancements, lack of effective modding, changes to cloak, addition of core weapons, changes to planet cap system, new armor types, changes to EW, complete revamping of almost every ship.....I guess what I fail to understand is that of all the things that have changed on DS, its the pres loss/gain that is the sacred cow. Well, that and R33, but that's a different story altogether. DS still has punishment too central to the game.

7. Dying now, even with the higher pres still wont have the same effect as what ya'll think it will because in those days (482ish and under) one of the main reasons you didn't want to die had zilch to do with your pres loss. It was ship loss. You lost your ship, it was dead. Gone. Adios muchachos. Why was that a big deal? OTHER FACTION TECH MODS. I know I had a mirv clav for MONTHS. CL2K Claw anyone? Faced plenty of human carriers shooting Larvs at me as well. All of us who played then can probably think of a few of those ships they had. And? Lose the ship, lose the mods, and no enemy sp/factory planets meant that you flew stock - anethema to any veteran startduster.

8. DS still has punishment too central to the game. I have played so many games I can't hope to remember even half of them, and I can think of no other that has had negativity so common to every aspect of the game. I understand the need to challenge a player, but if every time a person goes into a fight he is worried about every single tap to his shields or/and armor causing him a negative blow, than it becomes the opposite of fun.

9. Basically, I'm looking at the little guy. Stevey or Flash, both new players by DS standards, were rewarded for playing a lot and not leaving the game. They got their pres climb. However, I did see new players still complaining about getting pres as late as two weeks ago. The more the smaller ships are tweaked to accomodate the veterans who know how to use them, the more insane they are for a new player to get the hang of. You can start a new character if you want to, and start all over again. You will say, I don't see a problem. That's right, you don't. You really can't forget how to use the ship, can you? The newer players don't have that going for them, and it is a lot to ask for somebody to come in and learn to fly those weak pea shooters under those circumstances, and at that with a lowered pres gain. I'm not saying it is impossible now to do, I am asking, however, how fun is it for the person trying?

sorry long post. Not trying to ruffle feathers, I'm just playing newbie advocate.

On 2011-04-05 01:19, Mr Grim(2.0) wrote:

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On 2011-04-04 23:14, Azreal wrote: Quote: On 2011-04-04 07:38, JBud wrote: LOL! This coming from someone with 500k prestige. I believe you are just angry you didn't get to 1 million before the change. Prestige gain is so much more ridiculous than that, too. you gain 130 prestige for killing a mere cruiser. I think you need to do your homework before making wild assumptions. And Geja is right, this is a bit early to do a headcount. (5-9am on a monday) people are at work and school. derp. 1. I have never complained about the pres gain people got. I have never seen more fighting in the mv than I have over the last year, and I relate it to less fear over pres lost. I like it, as this is supposed to be a PvP game. 2. I earned my pres over 7 years, and not by farming. I have never been known to farm anything other than enhancements. Even then, I generally only went after the elites, and not the other ai. 3. I think I'm #2 or #3 in deaths now. That wouldnt change if I was still playing. I never cared before, I wouldn't start now. I'm not exactly known for jumping out of a fight. For the last year, I get in an engagement, I'm there till I kill, I die, or the other guy runs off. This has nothing to do with me. 4. My fear is that NEW players (the life blood of ANY AND EVERY GAME) will most likely be turned off. 5. The number I said (whatever it was 6 people in mv) I didnt give a headcount. It was a flashback to .483 days. That's a time when many of the people who now populate the top lists (and a few of those in this thread) were simply not there for. In those days, I could log in at PEAK times and find under ten people in the game. I am always looking at the number of new players that come in and stay. Always. 6. DS is not the same game as before. AI, enhancements, lack of effective modding, changes to cloak, addition of core weapons, changes to planet cap system, new armor types, changes to EW, complete revamping of almost every ship.....I guess what I fail to understand is that of all the things that have changed on DS, its the pres loss/gain that is the sacred cow. Well, that and R33, but that's a different story altogether. DS still has punishment too central to the game. 7. Dying now, even with the higher pres still wont have the same effect as what ya'll think it will because in those days (482ish and under) one of the main reasons you didn't want to die had zilch to do with your pres loss. It was ship loss. You lost your ship, it was dead. Gone. Adios muchachos. Why was that a big deal? OTHER FACTION TECH MODS. I know I had a mirv clav for MONTHS. CL2K Claw anyone? Faced plenty of human carriers shooting Larvs at me as well. All of us who played then can probably think of a few of those ships they had. And? Lose the ship, lose the mods, and no enemy sp/factory planets meant that you flew stock - anethema to any veteran startduster. 8. DS still has punishment too central to the game. I have played so many games I can't hope to remember even half of them, and I can think of no other that has had negativity so common to every aspect of the game. I understand the need to challenge a player, but if every time a person goes into a fight he is worried about every single tap to his shields or/and armor causing him a negative blow, than it becomes the opposite of fun. 9. Basically, I'm looking at the little guy. Stevey or Flash, both new players by DS standards, were rewarded for playing a lot and not leaving the game. They got their pres climb. However, I did see new players still complaining about getting pres as late as two weeks ago. The more the smaller ships are tweaked to accomodate the veterans who know how to use them, the more insane they are for a new player to get the hang of. You can start a new character if you want to, and start all over again. You will say, I don't see a problem. That's right, you don't. You really can't forget how to use the ship, can you? The newer players don't have that going for them, and it is a lot to ask for somebody to come in and learn to fly those weak pea shooters under those circumstances, and at that with a lowered pres gain. I'm not saying it is impossible now to do, I am asking, however, how fun is it for the person trying? sorry long post. Not trying to ruffle feathers, I'm just playing newbie advocate.

I have to agree with everything azz has said and for all those tryin to make him seem like the bad guy in this post he aint.. He's just tryin to think about the new guys around here even though there isnt many... Props to u Az

Grim.

On 2011-04-05 11:13, SaturnShadow™ *FC*(Angel Of Darkness) wrote:
now i would be voting to bring back the .483 modding back ie being able to mod your ship (lets say Torp Crusier) with AM torps AMJD AMES and a mix of Psi and particle cannons plus 1 or 2 Pulse beams.

now if you did that id be over the moon but in return I would like to have the old 483 way of losing the ship if you died it was gone no 5% ship left in the Shipyard just if it was modded it was gone thats it you would have to start from scratch

atm i go into cobat and everyone who knows me will jump in get killed spawn a new ship and then jump in again (process repeats untill all ships are 5% hull then repair) 483 i would choose my battles more carefully (apart from when i was letting my hair down and went assault corvetting)

i know for one fact that if them 2 things came back 483 modding and loss of ship (with the addition of the enhancements) i would be MORE CAREFUL WHEN jumping into battle (plus as an added bonus if you lose your adv enhancements and kept buying them eventually you would have to buy more creds

anyway thats my 2 cents/pence

right now for some very odd reason i'm begging you to bring them back PLEASE

On 2011-04-05 09:13, BackSlash wrote:
All ships you can spawn from a spawn gate cost zero resources, and don't cost anything to die in as a result. So new players will not be penalised by this. Also, as others have mentioned, rank also plays a factor in prestige cost of a ship, so lower ranks won't be hit so hard even if they do pull out a new ship that costs relatively low resources anyway.

All is good!