On 2010-11-12 13:39, Azreal wrote:
There are some pretty old vets in here giving tips. There are some new players saying THEY aren't faced with this infant-devouring issue that you are, yet I see that no matter what, you have no answer besides a negative one.

perhaps you aren't sure of how the flow of the game works. Perhaps you do not understand, that if you are after this elusive rank, then you can supply, build (mostly in scen), scout, and do some standoff combat until you finally reach the rank of whatever you are after.

The hardest thing to get is going to actually be combat pres at the lower ranks. Scenario makes bombing, capping, building easier to achieve. The MV offers a better chance for supply points. Both offer basically the same chance for ship captures.

Combat is probably easier to achieve at the beginning in the newbie section of the server, or in the scens. The issue isn't the dreads, unless you are just a moron. It's lower level targets to attack and begin hitting hull on. You have more lower level ai in scen than in the mv, which translates into a safer combat experience.

BTW. In case you didn't know, you get more points for hull hits than anything. And kills only matter for a counter, they don't REALLY mean anything except for a few badges needed for higher ships. You get them as you go. No need to grind for them.

Want more points out of combat? Checklist:

Watch signature. Use ecm when you can.

Use standoff ships vs higher level ships, and go for DOT rather than DPS.

Use point jumps and alphas vs smaller opponents to break to hull faster.
Stay on red armor if at all possible.

Avoid your own weapon splash, This not only damages you, but adds to FF and res lost. Remember, you need the points.

Unless you have good ecm cover, as a supply, stay the hell out of combat until you really know how to fly it. Sups are always a prime target.

Your jump drive is faster than a dreads. You can track them, or flee them, and riddle them before they can recharge and jump again. If you get point jumped, ejump for a sec and cancel, turn and fire.

Know which ships are best for each class in each faction. This really matters at cruiser.

Don't engage in PvP until you have spent at least 24 hours in a ship. That's 24 GAME TIME> you don't learn a ship's capabilities down to second nature for a while.

Yeah yeah. Don't let these nubs fool you. When they got their first AC, TC and Scales they got their ships turned to slag too.

Learn your ship to the point where you dont THINK about what weapons you have. You simply USE them. You don't Worry or even check your energy level. You know "I have fired xxx full alphas, and I know I need to jump/cloak/use MKII battery soon".

How much of this you know I dunno. I'm throwing it out for nubs willing to try ffs. I hope you are one, that's all.

And I would take on any ship here vs any ship here, and after a few tries (have to calibrate rusty skills) I could probably win in a battle over time.

This game, never forget, is rock paper scissors. You just gotta call the right one at the right time.

On 2010-11-12 13:39, Azreal wrote:
This game, never forget, is rock paper scissors. You just gotta call the right one at the right time.

Paper beats rock
Scissors beats paper
Scissors also happens to beat rock
That is until rock hits level 60 and becomes an unstoppable killing machine and beats paper and would beat scissors, but it can't find scissors because scissors are invisible.

On 2010-11-12 14:19, Bombg wrote:

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On 2010-11-12 13:39, Azreal wrote: There are some pretty old vets in here giving tips. There are some new players saying THEY aren't faced with this infant-devouring issue that you are, yet I see that no matter what, you have no answer besides a negative one. perhaps you aren't sure of how the flow of the game works. Perhaps you do not understand, that if you are after this elusive rank, then you can supply, build (mostly in scen), scout, and do some standoff combat until you finally reach the rank of whatever you are after. The hardest thing to get is going to actually be combat pres at the lower ranks. Scenario makes bombing, capping, building easier to achieve. The MV offers a better chance for supply points. Both offer basically the same chance for ship captures. Combat is probably easier to achieve at the beginning in the newbie section of the server, or in the scens. The issue isn't the dreads, unless you are just a moron. It's lower level targets to attack and begin hitting hull on. You have more lower level ai in scen than in the mv, which translates into a safer combat experience. BTW. In case you didn't know, you get more points for hull hits than anything. And kills only matter for a counter, they don't REALLY mean anything except for a few badges needed for higher ships. You get them as you go. No need to grind for them. Want more points out of combat? Checklist: Watch signature. Use ecm when you can. Use standoff ships vs higher level ships, and go for DOT rather than DPS. Use point jumps and alphas vs smaller opponents to break to hull faster. Stay on red armor if at all possible. Avoid your own weapon splash, This not only damages you, but adds to FF and res lost. Remember, you need the points. Unless you have good ecm cover, as a supply, stay the hell out of combat until you really know how to fly it. Sups are always a prime target. Your jump drive is faster than a dreads. You can track them, or flee them, and riddle them before they can recharge and jump again. If you get point jumped, ejump for a sec and cancel, turn and fire. Know which ships are best for each class in each faction. This really matters at cruiser. Don't engage in PvP until you have spent at least 24 hours in a ship. That's 24 GAME TIME> you don't learn a ship's capabilities down to second nature for a while. Yeah yeah. Don't let these nubs fool you. When they got their first AC, TC and Scales they got their ships turned to slag too. Learn your ship to the point where you dont THINK about what weapons you have. You simply USE them. You don't Worry or even check your energy level. You know "I have fired xxx full alphas, and I know I need to jump/cloak/use MKII battery soon". How much of this you know I dunno. I'm throwing it out for nubs willing to try ffs. I hope you are one, that's all. And I would take on any ship here vs any ship here, and after a few tries (have to calibrate rusty skills) I could probably win in a battle over time. This game, never forget, is rock paper scissors. You just gotta call the right one at the right time.

While I appreciate the effort you took to write this out you haven't told me anything I don't already know. I just strongly disagree that this game is rock paper scissors as you call it. There is really no reason to take a smaller ship into combat over a larger one unless you're filling some niche role like an interdictor.

On 2010-11-12 12:07, SpaceAdmiral wrote:

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On 2010-11-12 11:41, Bombg wrote: Except you need to be admiral and above to even compete in this game. Bottom line only having the option to take pot shots for pres is lame. New players should have some level of effectiveness and I just don't see it. Yes staying out of beam range is a no brainer, but all that dread needs to do is jump on top of you and you're either toast or fleeing. Not only that but I've sat and took pot shots at a station for what seemed 30min and I never took him below 95% armor haha. Anyway, having a PVP centric game being in such a high favor of vets discourages new players and I think it shows just in how much the game has shrank over the years.

Dessie vs Station 1 on 1 dessie can win. will take time, and for icc some ammo reloading, but you can win. The Ticks actually used scouts effectively, I'd say if they used frigates or destroyers too they would have been even more effective. (btw where are the ticks? dead?)
Conclusion: You don't need to be above admiral, you need to have Skill.

On 2010-11-12 20:11, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
incorrect.
In luth smaller ships fill niche roles.
In human factions many use smaller ships.
Dessies can go where dreads cannot...like into a swarm of missles

On 2010-11-12 13:39, Marius Falix wrote:
yes its not how it used to be anymore.

i flew a suppy, fixing ships for hours on end during massive engagements (used to read while i did so)
now a days its fairly...well !~&!@^#&.

no more massive ass battles, most of the vets gone, (well for ICC anyways)
its repetitive and boring and nobody likes getting station stomped. honestly guys... it used to be alot worse, with about 8 icc on with 2 of which dread capable, vs about 6 dreads.

il say it again... its better than it used to be.

the reason why most "vets" have left is cause the game is not what it use to be. people come in here and complain about this and that and dev have bascialy coward under the weight of newbie wanting to lvl faster and make the game easier.(no offonce to the dev) now the game is so easy to gain rank the game has no reall challenge anymore. and that the reason why vet have left and will never come back.

On 2010-11-12 21:02, Bombg wrote:

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On 2010-11-12 20:11, SpaceAdmiral wrote: incorrect. In luth smaller ships fill niche roles. In human factions many use smaller ships. Dessies can go where dreads cannot...like into a swarm of missles

The composition of fleets on any given night seems to be counter to what you're saying here. For UGTO it's usually 2-6 stations and some dreads and maybe one smaller ship hanging around somewhere.

On 2010-11-12 22:23, Fatal PadmaVajra wrote:
I understand your frustration.

I'd suggest adjusting your expectations and join up with others.

Many years ago when I first joined I used to get zapped just like you and it was frustrating on a level that I just went with and in time....I flipped it and tried to become a pretty good player.

Adjusting my expectations against veteran players went a long way.

It gets better if you work with it.

And if you work with others, you'll serve the fleet well. Scouts can be deadly if you know how to use them.

Padma

On 2010-11-12 13:39, Marius Falix wrote:
yes its not how it used to be anymore.

i flew a suppy, fixing ships for hours on end during massive engagements (used to read while i did so)
now a days its fairly...well !~&!@^#&.

no more massive ass battles, most of the vets gone, (well for ICC anyways)
its repetitive and boring and nobody likes getting station stomped. honestly guys... it used to be alot worse, with about 8 icc on with 2 of which dread capable, vs about 6 dreads.

il say it again... its better than it used to be.

the reason why most "vets" have left is cause the game is not what it use to be. people come in here and complain about this and that and dev have bascialy coward under the weight of newbie wanting to lvl faster and make the game easier.(no offonce to the dev) now the game is so easy to gain rank the game has no reall challenge anymore. and that the reason why vet have left and will never come back.