On 2011-09-29 10:48, Talien wrote:
The main issue with faction balance is Kluth have a definite advantage inside 300 GU since their beams have no falloff, UGTO have a definite advantage inside 400-500 GU since that's when falloff starts really showing, and ICC have an advantage at 600+ GU because luth cannons can't reach that far and UGTO damage starts to really suffer from falloff. However, at 600 GU the only thing you'll be reliably hitting are Dreadnoughts and Stations, most Cruisers will be able to dodge just about everything you shoot at them, to say nothing of anything smaller. For small ship combat (Cruisers and below) ICC ships are forced to close into the opponent's optimal range to make the best use of their limited ammo, thus losing whatever advantage they had.

PRECISELY!

tis is why, imo, projectile weapons need a speed buff, and a rather large one too

On 2011-09-29 17:01, Demigan wrote:
Also, what advantages do defence mode give, OTHER THEN faster recharge of shields at higher energy rate? On active shields, I haven't even found it worth it to turn defence mode on when I'm in a pinch, it takes too much energy for too little percentage shield back.

On 2011-09-29 17:01, Demigan wrote:



But Luth have it too easy vs ICC right now. So instead of 500-700 GU, it should be 350, or maybe 310 GU away. Why? Because that gives ICC players who work together (one in a ship capable of spotting cloaked units, one a battle/combat ship) a few tiny seconds to react. If you don't because you haven't seen the blip appear behind them, they deserve to be shot. Also, the luth lose their secondary escape, cloaking,

On 2011-09-29 16:42, RogueAvenger10 wrote:

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PRECISELY! tis is why, imo, projectile weapons need a speed buff, and a rather large one too

No they dont k'luth may have no falloff but at the cost of allmost no armour why its not easy to play as luth as if a player LEARNS! how to bliind fire most of the time they can be killed you all just want a EASY KILL button this games about skill more than anything and teamwork if theres 2 icc on one gets a scout the other a combat ship and most luth can be defeted as thats 4eccms youve got (possibly +1-2)

On 2011-09-29 17:04, Fluttershy wrote:
Can you stick beacons on a K'luth ship to keep them from re-cloaking?

If so I'm just gonna fly recon every time we're fighting against them.
[ This Message was edited by: RogueAvenger10 on 2011-09-29 17:12 ]

On 2011-09-29 17:11, Demigan wrote:

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On 2011-09-29 16:42, RogueAvenger10 wrote: Quote: PRECISELY! tis is why, imo, projectile weapons need a speed buff, and a rather large one too No they dont k'luth may have no falloff but at the cost of allmost no armour why its not easy to play as luth as if a player LEARNS! how to bliind fire most of the time they can be killed you all just want a EASY KILL button this games about skill more than anything and teamwork if theres 2 icc on one gets a scout the other a combat ship and most luth can be defeted as thats 4eccms youve got (possibly +1-2)

No they don't, luth have an easy kill button right now. cloak, jump, alpha, kill. Only bigger ships can get away. But that's the point, they need to RUN, immidiately.

If you read my previous remark, I hope you see I don't want any instant easy kill button. I want a gadget that allows us to counter you, IF we use teamplay and tactics. If I wanted an easy kill button, I would not have asked for that, but for a damage and armour nerf. If we can't counter you, we are simply sitting ducks.

As for 'calling AI', as you noticed the AI isn't the brightest, toss in a target that cloaks and you need to give new orders every time again (while luth burns you away), they don't help that much.
And the 'use a scout ship, you have 4 ECCM'. The scout ship needs to have an indication of your position, and pray he doesn't accidently come within 300 GU, otherwise, it's instant kill and bye bye counter, cloak, and then nail the destroyer who conveniently presented itself. And I tried to use ping, you know what? the ship appeared and disappeared within a second. Leaving me to blindfire upon him. Whoop dee doo, low damage AND low chance of hitting, you don't need good armour for that, you need to learn evasive manoeuvres and your home free!

Yours sincerely,
Demigan.

On 2011-09-29 17:01, Demigan wrote:
Now defiance had some helpfull tips.

I tried blindfiring, but even when you are capable of seeing the ship it's rather hard to do blindfires (I tried to practice some on AI cruisers of UTGO).

Reading the comments, I can see why 500-700 GU range would be too much. I stayed in ICC because I quite liked battling UTGO if an ICC counter team was present. We lose most of the time, but when we win, there is a real sense of accomplishment and the knowledge that yes, we DID play better then them, and it was not just luck.

But Luth have it too easy vs ICC right now. So instead of 500-700 GU, it should be 350, or maybe 310 GU away. Why? Because that gives ICC players who work together (one in a ship capable of spotting cloaked units, one a battle/combat ship) a few tiny seconds to react. If you don't because you haven't seen the blip appear behind them, they deserve to be shot. Also, the luth lose their secondary escape, cloaking, IF such a ship keeps up with them. But keeping up with them means being practically within their alpha range, meaning careful management of both dictor and such a new weapon is necessary.
That would be more in keeping with ICC, tactical management of what you got to advance. Also, Luth will need to device more intricate tactics then 'cloak and float behind them'. They will need to come from the side or front, or speed up just before they hit the 300 GU distance mark so they are capable of keeping up with the enemy ships. (I haven't played luth, so if I say something really stupid here, tell me so. But only if you have played ICC as well (and determined) as luth)

I will try out the border cruiser, only I have one question: why the active shields on the OUTSIDE?

Reactive shields recharge quicker then active shields. I use them on bombers when I assault a planet as with the right flight pattern, I can keep my shields at 100% without ever seeing my energy fall. Also, vs UTGO they are quite useful as long as you keep them at a distance, the ability to recharge shields quicker allows me to soak up more damage long-term then active shields would, and allow me to keep shooting from range at dreads and cruisers. I actually thought that reactive shields were of the same strength as reactive shields, only the reactive recharged faster, until someone explained it to me. Even now, I don't think the active shield is actually twice as strong, it takes too much damage from a single shot to be twice as much. 1,5x stronger then reactive would actually be the best I guessed them to be.

So, if you put reactive shields on the BC's outside, and active on the inside, the shields will recharge faithfully no matter what comes in the fire. Soon as some guy jumps on top of you and fires away, your active shields will take the blow as soon as the reactive are burned through. And as your active shields are getting pounded, you jump, redistribute, recharge partially and go back into the fray.
Apparently, this doesn't work, could you tell me why it doesn't work?

Also, what advantages do defence mode give, OTHER THEN faster recharge of shields at higher energy rate? On active shields, I haven't even found it worth it to turn defence mode on when I'm in a pinch, it takes too much energy for too little percentage shield back.

Yours sincerely,
Demigan.

On 2011-09-29 17:04, Fluttershy wrote:
Can you stick beacons on a K'luth ship to keep them from re-cloaking?

If so I'm just gonna fly recon every time we're fighting against them.
[ This Message was edited by: Deth*CO2* on 2011-09-29 17:41 ]