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Fatal Rocko Willis
Fleet Admiral
Fatal Squadron
Joined: March 01, 2003
Posts: 1336
From: Kentucky
|  Posted: 2005-06-19 17:18
Nothing against you Backie... you know I agree with you on mostly everything but ... "if you give a mouse a cookie, he will want a glass of milk"...
Basically if you mount one flux one one faction only that faction could have 8 ships in an area.. that's 8 fluxes too many imo.... unless flux where fixed so that it would only damage internal systems IF either shields or armour was destroyed between the target and the flux user.
This is my humble opinion,
Rocko
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
Admiral, I can't read,
Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: February 16, 2004
Posts: 3635
From: South Philly
| Posted: 2005-06-19 17:32
Rocko has a point... don't play beta much either anymore, has flux been changed to be ineffective vs ALL armor/shields ?
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Koda
Marshal
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Joined: August 29, 2002
Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-06-19 17:47
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On 2005-06-15 14:43, Bobamelius wrote:
We know it's a problem, and we intend to correct it.
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The best solution would have been to add in Anti-Flux countermeasures, when they were suggested 3 years ago. That way people would have had a way to fight "Fluxxors", and have had the opportunity to use an "Anti-Flux" special device.
At this point in the Game, I personally have adapted my playing style to work with Flux or Arround Fluxxors. Getting Fluxed is like getting kicked in the mommy daddy button. But it happens.. its good to wear a Cup 
-Charz
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Captain_Savage
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Joined: September 30, 2003
Posts: 144
| Posted: 2005-06-19 21:52
let's just all be bloody honest here. everyone fluxes, anyone who says they have never fluxed, ie probobly either new, or a liar. yeah, i know "but i only use one, and then only in extreme cercumstances." but you know what? every time i get into a big fight where i'm winning, the enemy ship, regardless of faction, will flux me. i don't care if i get fluxed. you know why? because it's a weapon. weapons have one purpose, and one purpose only; to kill, maim, and/or destroy your enemy's ability to fight. it may be a "dirty" tactic to use a bunch of them at once, but that's how weapons are used.
anyway, back to ICC fluxing. take a good look at what we have righgt now. bearly three systems. bearly five players online at any given time, some of the weakest weapons in the game, and very weak capital ships. our best ships are the Heavy and assault cruisers, and we routinely have to face your Elite assault dreads in them. we're outnumbered, outgunned, outsized, and are just bearly hangin on by a bloody thread. there are only two things that can give us a serious edge to hold out own in this kind of fight; team work(which is rare), and the flux boats. we cannot hope to win in a conventional fight, so we have to fight dirty. and once the flux boats are taken away, our victories will be far less. you're all pissed off because we flux, well let's make a deal; stop fielding giant fleets of EADs, stop using our torpedoes, and stop using fighters altogether, and we'll stop usinf the flux boats.
everyone fluxes, you're just mad because we can do it better than you.
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Maskerade
Grand Admiral
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Joined: March 21, 2002
Posts: 638
From: Canada
| Posted: 2005-06-19 22:43
I have never fluxed since my return to DS.
I have fluxed before, but that was another time and was a before your time young captain_savage.
Noone fluxs better than anyone else that uses it. How could anyone be better? Is there a variable skill level associated with hitting the V key? No.
Anyways since my return, the game in essence has changed from when I played it last. So no I have never fluxed, never have, never will. I will continue to demostrate how old school pilots can use their skills to destroy their opponents without having to hobble around the galaxy using a crutch.
It's good beta is fixing it.
[ This Message was edited by: Maskerade on 2005-06-19 22:45 ]
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
Admiral, I can't read,
Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: February 16, 2004
Posts: 3635
From: South Philly
| Posted: 2005-06-19 23:11
Hes right, like 5 months ago I got drunk on two seperate occasions & modded flux MDs, went in, fluxed, alphaed, self Ded both times & then went to sleep it off.
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BackSlash
Marshal
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Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-06-20 00:11
Im with mask..
I've never fluxed...and I wont untill 1.483 fixes the problem. I dont believe in cheapening the kill. If I get the kill, I want it to be a real kill, not some half assed pansie kill.
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Lonectzn
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Joined: January 06, 2005
Posts: 202
| Posted: 2005-06-20 01:56
Complaining about flux is an even bigger sport than fluxing...
And I would repeat I rarely, ever, get fluxed. How do you guys get fluxed so much? Maybe the fluxers recognise eachother and always flux, in ongoing revenge and payback for the last time they saw eachother. Meanwhile the non-fluxers never or rarely get fluxed, being outside the revenge circle.
Hey, it's just a theory 
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Nim *
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Courageous Elite Commandos
Joined: September 05, 2004
Posts: 295
| Posted: 2005-06-20 06:34
I admit I DO Flux, but only when i get fluxed my self, I try and go after those that fluxed me in my flux ead 
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On 2005-06-19 21:52, Captain_Savage wrote:
let's just all be bloody honest here. everyone fluxes, anyone who says they have never fluxed, ie probobly either new, or a liar. yeah, i know "but i only use one, and then only in extreme cercumstances." but you know what? every time i get into a big fight where i'm winning, the enemy ship, regardless of faction, will flux me. i don't care if i get fluxed. you know why? because it's a weapon. weapons have one purpose, and one purpose only; to kill, maim, and/or destroy your enemy's ability to fight. it may be a "dirty" tactic to use a bunch of them at once, but that's how weapons are used.
anyway, back to ICC fluxing. take a good look at what we have righgt now. bearly three systems. bearly five players online at any given time, some of the weakest weapons in the game, and very weak capital ships. our best ships are the Heavy and assault cruisers, and we routinely have to face your Elite assault dreads in them. we're outnumbered, outgunned, outsized, and are just bearly hangin on by a bloody thread. there are only two things that can give us a serious edge to hold out own in this kind of fight; team work(which is rare), and the flux boats. we cannot hope to win in a conventional fight, so we have to fight dirty. and once the flux boats are taken away, our victories will be far less. you're all pissed off because we flux, well let's make a deal; stop fielding giant fleets of EADs, stop using our torpedoes, and stop using fighters altogether, and we'll stop usinf the flux boats.
everyone fluxes, you're just mad because we can do it better than you.
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Thats not true, icc outnumber ugto during the night (gmt) by 3 to 1 or more (they have the past week anyway).
Also keep in mind we have to fight off kluth as well while trying to hold icc space. Which gets really annoying sometimes if someone brings out a Flux MD (saw 4 the other day at one time)
Most pilots use proton and AM torps rather than fusion btw, as Fusions are crap
[ This Message was edited by: Nim on 2005-06-20 06:37 ]
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BackSlash
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| Posted: 2005-06-20 07:25
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On 2005-06-20 06:34, Nim wrote:
Most pilots use proton and AM torps rather than fusion btw, as Fusions are crap
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Psh, Ftorps for the win. Most damage over time.
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Doran
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From: The Gideon Unit
| Posted: 2005-06-20 09:49
not to mention the range, ammo count, and (lesser) energy drain
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Nim *
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| Posted: 2005-06-20 11:22
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Psh, Ftorps for the win. Most damage over time.
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P torps does more damage per sec which imo is better
Also Fusion has little splash damage compared to P or AM.
[ This Message was edited by: Nim on 2005-06-20 11:24 ]
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BackSlash
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Joined: March 23, 2003
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-06-20 16:17
F torps do the most damge over time.
They have the best tracking
They have the most ammo
They have the least energy drain
No other torp has 4 pro's.
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Dempster
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| Posted: 2005-06-20 16:35
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On 2005-06-19 21:52, Captain_Savage wrote:
let's just all be bloody honest here. everyone fluxes, anyone who says they have never fluxed, ie probobly either new, or a liar. yeah, i know "but i only use one, and then only in extreme cercumstances." but you know what? every time i get into a big fight where i'm winning, the enemy ship, regardless of faction, will flux me. i don't care if i get fluxed. you know why? because it's a weapon. weapons have one purpose, and one purpose only; to kill, maim, and/or destroy your enemy's ability to fight. it may be a "dirty" tactic to use a bunch of them at once, but that's how weapons are used.
anyway, back to ICC fluxing. take a good look at what we have righgt now. bearly three systems. bearly five players online at any given time, some of the weakest weapons in the game, and very weak capital ships. our best ships are the Heavy and assault cruisers, and we routinely have to face your Elite assault dreads in them. we're outnumbered, outgunned, outsized, and are just bearly hangin on by a bloody thread. there are only two things that can give us a serious edge to hold out own in this kind of fight; team work(which is rare), and the flux boats. we cannot hope to win in a conventional fight, so we have to fight dirty. and once the flux boats are taken away, our victories will be far less. you're all pissed off because we flux, well let's make a deal; stop fielding giant fleets of EADs, stop using our torpedoes, and stop using fighters altogether, and we'll stop usinf the flux boats.
everyone fluxes, you're just mad because we can do it better than you.
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he must have a giant V button on his keyboard, flux requires no skill, flux requires a jump followed by pressing a button.
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Lonectzn
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Joined: January 06, 2005
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| Posted: 2005-06-20 20:21
Actually, jack I tested this about a month ago. AM are best damge over time, followed by P torp and then fusion. Fusion also seem to have significantly smaller damage radius. Radius is extremely important as unless you're in ideal position and fighting a dread, you're going to be doing a lot of detting.
Fusion's slightly faster fire rate (off the top of my head it's something like 3s as opposed to 3.5s, not sure though) doesn't nearly make up for lower damage.
Of course, I'd add a disclaimer to this: It's entirely possible my test was flawed and I'm completely wrong. However I stick by it, unless someone goes and quotes the actual values 
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