On 2012-11-22 09:16, Talien wrote

The issue isn't with luth dropping inf or structures being damaged, it's that there's no way to stop them from doing it. A transport that can be 100% undetectable until it chooses to decloak then drop it's inf with no chance of doing anything about it unless the player in the luth transport screws up and drops while they're still several GU away from the intended target.

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On 2012-11-22 10:09, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
The same can be said for Mandi's and Siphons decloaking and insta-gibbing small ships.

My point is, the cloaking device was designed with sneak attacks and stealth in mind. These are still valid usage of the device.

Look at the current scenario. Tranny rushing planets these days don't mean much anymore, as you also have to actually BE around a planet to fully effect its capture. And most smart players carry infantry onboard their ships too. So being dropped on doesn't mean a thing unless you were woefully unprepared for it.

What this means is that Tranny dropping doesn't pose that much of a threat as compared to past versions. So while this may be an annoyance, it doesn't really break the game in any way. But making changes to address a potential technical non-issue... that could constitute a larger risk.

On 2012-11-22 10:58, Talien wrote:
Except if you see a Mandible or Siphon decloaking in your face you've got a second or two to jump away before they can actually fire at you. Of course, half the time you end up dead mid-jump because of desynch anyway but that's a different issue entirely. With combat ships it works because otherwise luth ships are at a major disadvantage because of almost nonexistent armor.

Planets can still be captured by nothing but inf, granted it takes a long time but it's still possible. As far as ships you can usually kill a Transport before it gets close enough to drop unless they're good at point jumping and land right ontop of you. If you're in a ship smaller than a Transport you just outrun them and they have no way of dropping on you anyway.

Hell, when I play luth in scen or on my alt I do the same thing and I have to admit it does feel pretty cheap when I can decloak ontop of a Dreadnought, unload my troops, then jump out usually before they can even react even if they're surrounded by an entire fleet, and then keep repeating it until they eventually cap or ragelog with little to no risk to myself. Even if I do die, so what? I don't lose anything for it. I get plenty of complaints when I play my main and repeatedly point jump ontop of people to drop and then often escape because my transport is full def modded, but I've gotten some real nasty PMs on my alt even just cloak dropping on someone once.

It's just negative fun when people can do it 100% effectively with no possible counter.

On 2012-11-22 12:15, Hezn wrote:
I would dare to say that , during my playtime though most of the other kluths were using something bigger to cap which was much easier to deal with even if it`s only bladerunner it`still threat since he plays alot during the day

On 2012-11-22 14:55, Soulless. wrote:

something i can think of that would help lessen the amount of tranny rushes would be to add a timer to ALL, again i said ALL transports either Decloaking or exiting a jump that prevents them from droping their inf for ooohh say 10 seconds or something similar to that. That way it will add time for people to react to both the Point jumping trannies and the Cloaked tranny rushing

On 2012-11-22 14:55, Soulless. wrote:
something i can think of that would help lessen the amount of tranny rushes would be to add a timer to ALL, again i said ALL transports either Decloaking or exiting a jump that prevents them from droping their inf for ooohh say 10 seconds or something similar to that. That way it will add time for people to react to both the Point jumping trannies and the Cloaked tranny rushing

On 2012-11-23 12:06, Diesalot wrote:
this thread is pointless.. Its balanced as it is right now.

Only reason bladerunner is annoying you lot is cause you dont counter tranny rush / have too full ship yard to do what he does.

He most likely has 3+ slots available which he uses to stock up on troops in home system thenn tranny rush, sd repeat till planet is full.

Its an ooooold tactic. stop complaining!

Also bear in mind he still has to go through dictor everytime giving you the advantage.

On 2012-11-23 12:14, Talien wrote:

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On 2012-11-22 14:55, Soulless. wrote: something i can think of that would help lessen the amount of tranny rushes would be to add a timer to ALL, again i said ALL transports either Decloaking or exiting a jump that prevents them from droping their inf for ooohh say 10 seconds or something similar to that. That way it will add time for people to react to both the Point jumping trannies and the Cloaked tranny rushing

That would work.

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On 2012-11-23 12:06, Diesalot wrote: this thread is pointless.. Its balanced as it is right now. Only reason bladerunner is annoying you lot is cause you dont counter tranny rush / have too full ship yard to do what he does. He most likely has 3+ slots available which he uses to stock up on troops in home system thenn tranny rush, sd repeat till planet is full. Its an ooooold tactic. stop complaining! Also bear in mind he still has to go through dictor everytime giving you the advantage.

Try reading the thread. It's not about some lamer flooding planets with troops, it's about luth in general being able to do it with 100% impunity. You have 0 chance to do anything about it when someone decloaks while touching a planet or directly ontop of someone's ship then unloads a hold full of troops.

Of course, this issue has existed since before I started playing and nothing has been done with it any other time it's been brought up, so I'm not holding my breath for any changes this time either.