| Author |
Need feedback on missile tracking in beta |
Pantheon
Marshal
Palestar
Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1789
|  Posted: 2012-07-14 07:20
I've tweaked the missile tracking in beta. They scissor about a bit now, unfortunately there's not much I can do about this, however, on the upset they're not a lot more accurate.
Feedback required.
_________________
|
Hakketak
Grand Admiral
Joined: March 24, 2009
Posts: 301
| Posted: 2012-07-14 16:02
okay, i picked ganglia. the missles have problems all hitting targets who stand still, havent seen movin targets yet...
some runs with shroud missles:
at 1400 and over gu missles bob in a parabolic movement.i had shots dont deal any damage at all, i think because of the parabolic movement, the missles use up their fuel before they can reach their max range...
Below 1400 gu the dmg problem is less, but still present
from 1000 gu they still are all over the place, bobbing in a 75 gu or so amplitude, and even targets that stand still dont get a full hit, 1 or 2 missles miss. the missles have a tendancy to hit the side or rear, so if u fire from frontal position the missles seem to arch to a side armor be4 hit.
then a movin target jumps in:)
below 400 gu:
cruiser: all hit
frigate: hit, kill
200 gu distance, while facing 90 degrees from cruiser (front of me to back of him is 0 degrees, i turned 90 degrees left) : i hit!!
i shoot a cruiser from 400 gu, the cruiser got killed by another ai, the missles steer perfectly to the ai supply near the cruiser and kills it, nice
when firing at moving targets the missles fly in a neat path, no bobbing or...scissoring
missles better vs moving targets, but less vs targets standing still
I tried Psi and they perform the same, bobbing on non-moving targets, nice lines at moving targets, 90 degree angle at 300 gu distance was direct hit on enemy cruiser
ill test ugto faction and see if they work the same.
[ This Message was edited by: Dogpiler on 2012-07-14 16:30 ]
_________________
"I shouldn't be alive"
|
Hakketak
Grand Admiral
Joined: March 24, 2009
Posts: 301
| Posted: 2012-07-14 16:44
ugto missle cruiser, it missles
IT missles follow vertical parabolic movement (where the luth missles are horizontal parabolic), and position themselves about 300 gu above or below vertical axis ( y-axis), on moving and non-moving targets at 1K gu
the missles perform better vs targets standing still then luth ones, cause they all hit.
done testing for now, ugto test was brief, so conclusion might have been drawn a bit quick.
in short i'd say:
better tracking yes
weird movement towards target, depending on missle type used.
so it seems the uncertainty of the position of the missles was incresed so it basically almost always hits (huge field of possible position of missles, if ifield hits target, missles hit target) and the server got its own "creativity" of displaying the uncertainty of the missles with the bobbing...But maybe the uncertainty can be maintained, but the mean of the uncertainty be used to point position of missles in metaverse?
[ This Message was edited by: Dogpiler on 2012-07-14 16:50 ]
_________________
"I shouldn't be alive"
|
Fluttershy
Fleet Admiral
Joined: September 24, 2011
Posts: 778
From: Fluttershy
| Posted: 2012-07-14 16:49
Do the k'luth missiles have falloff now?
_________________
|
Bardiche
Chief Marshal
Joined: November 16, 2006
Posts: 1247
| Posted: 2012-07-14 17:26
Quote:
|
On 2012-07-14 16:49, Fluttershy wrote:
Do the k'luth missiles have falloff now?
|
|
This is feedback on missile tracking, not to ask general questions about missiles.
Missile Dread with standard load-out facing away from Destroyer at 500gu distance, both moving, managed to hit the Destroyer with a full salvo twice. The way the missiles move now looks actually cool (personal opinion).
What targets do we want to be able to hit with missiles, again?
_________________
|
Fluttershy
Fleet Admiral
Joined: September 24, 2011
Posts: 778
From: Fluttershy
| Posted: 2012-07-14 17:31
Just wanted to know so I don't mistake falloff damage for a partial hit
_________________
|
CM7
Midshipman
Faster than Light
Joined: October 15, 2009
Posts: 1812
| Posted: 2012-07-14 17:56
has point defence improved?
A few months back, my combat dread with all pulse beams could not destroy all the harpexes fired from one ss alpha.
This made me relliant on juking the missiles to throw off their tracking and make them miss. (reactive dodging). It was the only way my cruisers could survive ugto. Kluth not so much, cause i could not even see them comming.
Point is, if missiles are even harder to counter now, this applies more to ugto because they are slowe to come about, then they can affectivly be deployed against even smaller ships.
Given the ammount of damage missiles do, presumably because of high failure rate, and most probable target (stations and dreads), id say their values need serious study.
Good job making missile ships more desirable though
_________________
Defiance and Opposition, a tribute to teamwork. I will remember always
339,144
|
Mylith
Grand Admiral
Faster than Light
Joined: July 19, 2011
Posts: 507
From: Hivarin, CD+36*15693
| Posted: 2012-07-14 18:04
Quote:
|
On 2012-07-14 07:20, Pantheon wrote:
I've tweaked the missile tracking in beta. They scissor about a bit now, unfortunately there's not much I can do about this, however, on the upset they're not a lot more accurate.
Feedback required.
|
|
I'll test them sometime tomorrow probably, though I might get some time today.
_________________
http://twitter.com/DarkSpace7
|
DiepLuc
Chief Marshal
Joined: March 23, 2010
Posts: 1187
| Posted: 2012-07-15 00:34
I assume testing missle on ally will give us a better result, since we can distinguish whether the missle actually hit the target or its splash damages the target.
_________________
|
Mylith
Grand Admiral
Faster than Light
Joined: July 19, 2011
Posts: 507
From: Hivarin, CD+36*15693
| Posted: 2012-07-16 06:54
Did you do something to fighter tracking too? Because my fighters scissor like crazy now(tarsus hoard, launched from Brood).
EDIT: They also won't attack a target 790gu away no matter how long I let them scissor(no, they didn't get PDed).
EDIT2: They don't fire from 1860gu either.
[ This Message was edited by: Persistance on 2012-07-16 07:40 ]
_________________
http://twitter.com/DarkSpace7
|
Pantheon
Marshal
Palestar
Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1789
| Posted: 2012-07-16 08:33
I didn't realise the projectile tracking code was used for fighters as well. I have since reverted the 'scissor' effect of the missiles. Unfortunately, this does mean they won't be as good, but their tracking has still been improved.
Will continue looking for ways to make it better.
_________________
|
Mylith
Grand Admiral
Faster than Light
Joined: July 19, 2011
Posts: 507
From: Hivarin, CD+36*15693
| Posted: 2012-07-16 08:59
Quote:
|
On 2012-07-16 08:33, Pantheon wrote:
I didn't realise the projectile tracking code was used for fighters as well. I have since reverted the 'scissor' effect of the missiles. Unfortunately, this does mean they won't be as good, but their tracking has still been improved.
Will continue looking for ways to make it better.
|
|
Thanks. 
_________________
http://twitter.com/DarkSpace7
|
Mylith
Grand Admiral
Faster than Light
Joined: July 19, 2011
Posts: 507
From: Hivarin, CD+36*15693
| Posted: 2012-07-16 09:04
Also, I can't seem to find any AI anywhere in the beta server. Did something happen to them?
I grabbed a scout and scouted through all the planets, yet no AI.
[ This Message was edited by: Persistance on 2012-07-16 09:06 ]
_________________
http://twitter.com/DarkSpace7
|
Pantheon
Marshal
Palestar
Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1789
| Posted: 2012-07-16 09:07
AI spawners have been disabled - probably because beta isn't run on as powerful hardware as Hydra and Ogre.
_________________
|
Mylith
Grand Admiral
Faster than Light
Joined: July 19, 2011
Posts: 507
From: Hivarin, CD+36*15693
| Posted: 2012-07-16 10:20
Quote:
|
On 2012-07-16 09:07, Pantheon wrote:
AI spawners have been disabled - probably because beta isn't run on as powerful hardware as Hydra and Ogre.
|
|
Ummm...then how are we supposed to beta test? Usually nobody really wants to come to beta(other than rare occasions).
_________________
http://twitter.com/DarkSpace7
|
English
Deutsch
Nederlands
)
