On 2012-04-25 08:00, Enterprise wrote:
I would personally prefer that things like Missiles become massive area of effect weapons.

Essentially, they would have poor tracking, but have incredible AoE, yet, up to -90% damage at the edge, to full damage within close range.

This way, we don't have to focus so much on tracking, as on balancing the damage. This way also, missiles become effective cluster damage weapons without the unneccessary processing power that goes into tracking.

On 2012-04-25 16:22, Loyalty *TO* wrote:

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On 2012-04-25 08:00, Enterprise wrote: I would personally prefer that things like Missiles become massive area of effect weapons. Essentially, they would have poor tracking, but have incredible AoE, yet, up to -90% damage at the edge, to full damage within close range. This way, we don't have to focus so much on tracking, as on balancing the damage. This way also, missiles become effective cluster damage weapons without the unneccessary processing power that goes into tracking.

So basically you want to forget tracking and just throw a nuke. This would be rather dangerous to friendly assault ships, especially the more fragile Luth ones. while they will be further out of this bubble, it would still hurt them. Also if they have such a massive splash area, PD would have its effectiveness reduced. (small ships already had this issue with the Harpexes splash)
This might be a bit complicated to put in, but I think but shooting the missile down would cause the missile to have a reduced damage, because the warhead didn't detonate properly. Though this idea will result in needing more than one damage value (hit or shot down)

On 2012-04-26 20:08, Talien wrote:
Because if calculations like that were done clientside you'd see desnych return with a vengeance, bringing a horde of thousands of it's clones hell bent on nothing less than a complete takeover the DS universe.

On 2012-04-26 20:20, Walrus of Apathy wrote:

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On 2012-04-26 20:08, Talien wrote: Because if calculations like that were done clientside you'd see desnych return with a vengeance, bringing a horde of thousands of it's clones hell bent on nothing less than a complete takeover the DS universe.

I fail to see the problem with this.

Really though, Missiles really ought to be more effective for the effort it takes to get them accurate and past PD. I'm in the prelimenary process of thinking up my theories on how the DS weapon system should work, but it's just my opinion of course.

On 2012-04-27 08:02, Gejaheline wrote:
Wow, I look away for five minutes and the thread totally derails.

In case it wasn't clear to start with, I was looking for contributions from a technical/mathematical/programmatic point of view, NOT for suggestions like "replace missiles with guns" or "turn off bits of the server". The original idea was to harvest suggestions that I could use to create a crude simulation as a proof-of-concept to show that alternative guidance methods might work.

Now, this is all for my own, personal entertainment, since I'm convinced that the actual code that tells the missiles which way to point is working fine but the missile's ability to aim at that point isn't working optimally, which is a subtly different problem.

Thus far I have worked out how NOT to use the tan() function and am working out how to do angular velocity calculations.

On 2012-04-27 08:02, Gejaheline wrote:
Wow, I look away for five minutes and the thread totally derails.

In case it wasn't clear to start with, I was looking for contributions from a technical/mathematical/programmatic point of view, NOT for suggestions like "replace missiles with guns" or "turn off bits of the server". The original idea was to harvest suggestions that I could use to create a crude simulation as a proof-of-concept to show that alternative guidance methods might work.

Now, this is all for my own, personal entertainment, since I'm convinced that the actual code that tells the missiles which way to point is working fine but the missile's ability to aim at that point isn't working optimally, which is a subtly different problem.

Thus far I have worked out how NOT to use the tan() function and am working out how to do angular velocity calculations.

On 2012-04-28 00:30, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

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On 2012-04-27 08:02, Gejaheline wrote: Wow, I look away for five minutes and the thread totally derails. In case it wasn't clear to start with, I was looking for contributions from a technical/mathematical/programmatic point of view, NOT for suggestions like "replace missiles with guns" or "turn off bits of the server". The original idea was to harvest suggestions that I could use to create a crude simulation as a proof-of-concept to show that alternative guidance methods might work. Now, this is all for my own, personal entertainment, since I'm convinced that the actual code that tells the missiles which way to point is working fine but the missile's ability to aim at that point isn't working optimally, which is a subtly different problem. Thus far I have worked out how NOT to use the tan() function and am working out how to do angular velocity calculations.

I may have a simpler suggestion over complex mathematical models.


Every ship already calculates the lead when you fire your weaps. That lead calculation takes into account the target's speed and heading. Why not incorporate that into the missile and have the missile refresh that calculation every second and readjust its heading (limited to its rate of turn, of course).