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Gejaheline
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From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
|  Posted: 2012-02-06 13:48
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On 2012-02-06 12:31, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Targetted ECCM is useless against Kluth once they cloak. You can't target them anymore and will wish you brought along a Longwave instead. In that case, the use and existence of focused ECCM will become a moot point.
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Obviously. Let's assume I'm talking about uses of electronic warfare that are NOT related to cloaking for a minute.
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Kenny_Naboo
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Joined: January 11, 2010
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2012-02-06 18:47
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On 2012-02-06 13:48, Gejaheline wrote:
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On 2012-02-06 12:31, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Targetted ECCM is useless against Kluth once they cloak. You can't target them anymore and will wish you brought along a Longwave instead. In that case, the use and existence of focused ECCM will become a moot point.
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Obviously. Let's assume I'm talking about uses of electronic warfare that are NOT related to cloaking for a minute.
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Thing is... Humans rarely need to use EW vs each other. EW was always directed against Kluth.
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Gejaheline
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From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2012-02-06 20:24
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On 2012-02-06 18:47, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Thing is... Humans rarely need to use EW vs each other. EW was always directed against Kluth.
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I regularly see ICC stealth corvettes attacking people with impunity thanks to their untargetability.
Regardless, does it matter? I say "targeted ewar is useless because either everyone can see a target in which case you don't need ewar or nobody can see a target, in which case you can't use targeted ewar so it's useless" and you start saying "but with cloak, people are invisible so targeted ewar is useless!" which is what I'm trying to say.
If you think ewar is useless against human ships, that makes targeted ECCM doubly useless because you can't use it for its sole use.
So yeah, apparently arguing the same point for some reason.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2012-02-06 21:16
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On 2012-02-06 20:24, Gejaheline wrote:
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On 2012-02-06 18:47, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Thing is... Humans rarely need to use EW vs each other. EW was always directed against Kluth.
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I regularly see ICC stealth corvettes attacking people with impunity thanks to their untargetability.
Regardless, does it matter? I say "targeted ewar is useless because either everyone can see a target in which case you don't need ewar or nobody can see a target, in which case you can't use targeted ewar so it's useless" and you start saying "but with cloak, people are invisible so targeted ewar is useless!" which is what I'm trying to say.
If you think ewar is useless against human ships, that makes targeted ECCM doubly useless because you can't use it for its sole use.
So yeah, apparently arguing the same point for some reason.
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Good point. That's why the current "longwave" EW is probably the better way to go... or stay.
F did mention earlier that he prefers to keep the EW triad to ECCM, ECM and cloak. Yes, it's simple to understand but there're limited options if we stick to that.
There're many ways to play EW besides ECM and ECCM. For example, we have beacons (which somewhat act like ECCM projectiles) and scanners (which actually does what again? besides detecting planetary structures at range).
How about adding jammers? Jammers could be directed ECM? Since you can target a ship that's pulsing ECCM to reduce its overall effectiveness. In short, if you use a jammer on a sensor scout, you reduce his ECCM strength (if he's transmitting).
And perhaps changing Scanners to have a secondary function besides detecting planetary structures? Make Scanners = Directed ECCM? When you target a particular ship and use a Scanner on him, you raise his sig tremendously.
Oh yeah.. and make scanners and jammers use up heaps of energy.
Then give some of the EW ships enough slots to fit both types of devices.
Dunno about the algorithm or code that'll be needed though.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo[+R] on 2012-02-06 22:13 ]
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Talien
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Joined: May 11, 2010
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From: Michigan
| Posted: 2012-02-07 13:48
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On 2012-02-06 20:24, Gejaheline wrote:
I regularly see ICC stealth corvettes attacking people with impunity thanks to their untargetability.
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After the massive ECM nerf even Scouts can't hide themselves anymore unless they turn off shields and move at less than 10 speed.
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Silent Threat { Vier }
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Joined: August 03, 2004
Posts: 278
From: Waiting...watching...
| Posted: 2012-02-07 23:54
Maybe someone can clear this up for me:
One of the reasons that discouraged us from playing was the crazy amount of damage that UGTO dreads and stations could soak up. They were taking many times the damage that an ICC ship of the same class would have been able to take.
Now the dev logs says:
- Standard and Ablative Armor HP reduced by 5% and 7.5% respectively.
but it also says all weapons minus missles and fighters are going to have their damaged nurfed by 10%
so now does that mean that overall UGTO will be able to soak up even more damage? And I see that reflective armor is not listed which of course is what causes K'luth the most problems.
Am I missing something here or are we going to have to fight UGTO with missles?
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CM7
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| Posted: 2012-02-08 07:15
yea, i LOLed about that one myself Vier.
- Ship trails are no longer visible past 500 gu. This was done to stop a exploit.
can this be 1000gu? Im rarely within 500gu of my target. I like seeing their trails too. 
[ This Message was edited by: Defiance{CM7} on 2012-02-08 07:18 ]
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Nightsabre
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| Posted: 2012-02-08 21:47
I'm able to jump right through enemy planetary Interdictor fields in beta and not be stopped at all. Also jumping out of them works too.
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BackSlash
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2012-02-08 22:04
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On 2012-02-08 21:47, Nightsabre wrote:
I'm able to jump right through enemy planetary Interdictor fields in beta and not be stopped at all. Also jumping out of them works too.
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If the planet had no power, you would be able to do this.
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Kenny_Naboo
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From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2012-02-08 22:36
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On 2012-02-08 22:04, BackSlash wrote:
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On 2012-02-08 21:47, Nightsabre wrote:
I'm able to jump right through enemy planetary Interdictor fields in beta and not be stopped at all. Also jumping out of them works too.
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If the planet had no power, you would be able to do this.
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But I tht that the dicos would go down (no red haze shown) once the power is out?
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Nightsabre
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| Posted: 2012-02-08 22:49
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On 2012-02-08 22:04, BackSlash wrote:
If the planet had no power, you would be able to do this.
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I checked on this. The planet was fully powered. Interdictor was fully online when I tried this.
I've tried this on all factions jumping through a cluster of planets all with interdictor bases and not once was I stopped.
[ This Message was edited by: Nightsabre on 2012-02-08 23:06 ]
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DiepLuc
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Joined: March 23, 2010
Posts: 1187
| Posted: 2012-02-09 05:54
Right now, each beta update will grant the player 20 000 credit. However we have 8 ships in garrage, so we need at least (800*8) credit/ship * 8 ships = 51200 credit. May you increase the credit per update up to... 100 000, please?
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| Posted: 2012-02-09 06:29
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On 2012-02-09 05:54, chlorophyll wrote:
Right now, each beta update will grant the player 20 000 credit. However we have 8 ships in garrage, so we need at least (800*8) credit/ship * 8 ships = 51200 credit. May you increase the credit per update up to... 100 000, please?
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you can use beta credit grant and enh upto 3 ships for 800*8*3=19'200 credits.
then, you can log off, then use beta credit grant again. your credits get reset to 20'000 again and you retain your enhancements in beta. use the credits to enh 3 more ships. use the beta grant 3 times so you can enh all your 8 ships.
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Blackjack [DBL]
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Joined: February 25, 2011
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From: The land of venomous reptiles.
| Posted: 2012-02-09 07:37
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On 2012-02-08 07:15, Defiance{CM7} wrote:
- Ship trails are no longer visible past 500 gu. This was done to stop aexploit.
can this be 1000gu? Im rarely within 500gu of my target. I like seeing their trails too.
[ This Message was edited by: Loyalty *TO* on 2012-02-09 07:40 ]
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I agree with Def, 500gu is the range you try to stay at in a smaller ship... if its to stop that "follow the exhaust from a jump" track 1000gu will work
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DiepLuc
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| Posted: 2012-02-09 07:46
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use the beta grant 3 times so you can enh all your 8 ships. |
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It's fine to update beta every time you log off to switch faction. But log off 3 times and to test the rest the same faction is totally inconvenient.
Since credit beta is freely grant in beta, why may we not get 99 999 credit? It has the same number of digit as in 20 000 ;]
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