On 2011-06-23 11:02, Enterprise wrote:
Fighters in a future update as far as I'm aware are going to get a significant boost.

That being said, I think giving all stations fighter capability is a really bad idea.

Making any one ship universally good is bad. Just plain bad. The new layouts are perfect examples of how ships should be. Good for a role, but with big, obvious weaknesses. Support Stations can't have everything, just like assault Class Stations can't either. You pick your role and you stick with it.

Support Stations are not designed to be offensive, merely advocating more firepower for them goes entirely against its purpose. Its not there to be a giant, indestructible weapons platform, its there to server as support, primarily in the repairing depatment.

People are going to get a rude awakening when depots get nerfed. Folks are so used to being able to repair their Dreadnaught to full capacity in under a minute. This being changed dramatically increases the usefulness of those reload drones, and makes it so that stations can't make themselves into a giant tank.

Every ship should be vulnerable. The fact that stations as they stand now can withstand ridiculous amounts of damage is purely due to the oversight of how effective reloading armor can be. When that changes you better be ready to learn how to really play.

That means, if you bring out a station, you better have support.

If you bring out a Dreadnaught, you better hope you have EWAR support.

That means if you bring out a cruiser, you better pick the right one for the role you want to fill. You can't be everything.

And every ship in between knows that smaller ships get back to full health far faster than bigger ones. Which means if you get hulled, you better be prepared to wait more than 30 seconds.

Its how DS really comes to life as a tactical PvP game. You weigh the risks and the rewards, the pros and the cons, and you decide how to play. This patch is the greatest advancement towards teamwork since .480, and I cannot wait to see it in action.

People might gripe, but let them. I want a game where everyone doesn't fly the same ship all the time. So no, you don't get fighters on every station, or missiles on every dread, or ECCM on every cruiser. You play by the rules, and you play to rely on your friends.

Seriously, this patch is so cleverly disguised to encourage teamwork that every person that has henceforth relied on dread spacebar mashing and depots is in for a very rude awakening.




-Ent

On 2011-06-23 11:02, Enterprise wrote:
Seriously, this patch is so cleverly disguised to encourage teamwork that every person that has henceforth relied on dread spacebar mashing and depots is in for a very rude awakening.

-Ent

On 2011-06-23 11:53, Rebellion *XO2* wrote:

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On 2011-06-23 11:02, Enterprise wrote: Words Seriously, this patch is so cleverly disguised to encourage teamwork that every person that has henceforth relied on dread spacebar mashing and depots is in for a very rude awakening. -Ent

this +1

On 2011-06-23 12:06, Krim {C?} wrote:

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On 2011-06-23 11:02, Enterprise wrote: Seriously, this patch is so cleverly disguised to encourage teamwork that every person that has henceforth relied on dread spacebar mashing and depots is in for a very rude awakening. -Ent

I wouldn't say it's that's cleaverly disguised. Was clear to me in about an hour of testing in Beta yesterday. EW/PD are going to be exceptionally important upon release. As ships stand now, they're close to jack of all trades there is very little specialization. Now with ships because super-specialized, if you don't work together with various ship types (of all sizes mind you, the UGTO Defense Frigate is a Electronic Warfare BEAST) you will die quick and painfully.

My only worry is the need for a larger playerbase for this patch the work, it's a gamble. The current Playerbase sized as it is I hope we can actually get enough players into the game to make this forced specialization to work and not be disasterous. If there aren't enough players to work as a team and people are constantly dying I see them leaving and not playing leading to a vicious not enough players paradox.

My only worry is the need for a larger playerbase for this patch the work, it's a gamble. The current Playerbase sized as it is I hope we can actually get enough players into the game to make this forced specialization to work and not be disasterous. If there aren't enough players to work as a team and people are constantly dying I see them leaving and not playing leading to a vicious not enough players paradox.

On 2011-06-23 14:32, Defiance*XO* wrote:
K'luth on the otherhand...... will have an all you can eat buffet of small ships......

that being said, kluth will not be impossible to deal with. It will require purpose built fleets to hunt, trap, and kill them.

On 2011-06-23 12:06, Krim {C?} wrote:

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My only worry is the need for a larger playerbase for this patch the work, it's a gamble. The current Playerbase sized as it is I hope we can actually get enough players into the game to make this forced specialization to work and not be disasterous. If there aren't enough players to work as a team and people are constantly dying I see them leaving and not playing leading to a vicious not enough players paradox.

This, very much. I cannot agree more. The specialization and teamwork sounds very nice on paper, but the game just don't have the playerbase to justify it. The very design of DarkSpace calls for a larger playerbase. With the new layouts, even more so.

Sometimes I get the impression DS gets designed for what the devs hope it to be, but the reality is in stark contrast to that dream.

On 2011-06-23 15:28, chlorophyll wrote:
I can see the role of Support station and Battle station. But I don't think Command Station is good.

First, it doesn't have tractor & mining beam. Without tractor & mining beam, command station is not meant to capture planet anymore.