On 2011-02-01 02:01, Cory_O wrote:
This really doesnt sound like it would do all that much to me. Even a 100% energy drain increase wouldnt have that much of an impact on a kluth dread with 150+ energy. That would require them to move at 6gu/sec to not lose energy. Even if they went full throttle they would lose maybe .5 energy/sec. Which is really a very miniscule amount. This would probably have the negetive effect of inspiring kluth to use dreads and stations even more exclusively.

On the other hand, If they were damaged and were trying to stalk in on you to finish you off and where pinged, you could simply move at 15 gu away from them and wait patiently for their energy to.... very slowly waste away.

Perhaps a better solution is to either:

A. Not allow AHR's to function while cloaked. Which is a drastic step and would completely eliminate one of kluths advantages... and uniqueness, the nerf to emp cannons makes a good comparison. I like the factions being different.

B. Require a significant energy increase to using AHR's while cloaked. Maybe increasing the drain from cloak while using AHR's by 300% or more, probably more as mentioned above that wouldn't really be that much energy loss. Meaning that if they want to repair and be cloaked then they need to be moving very slowly or be stationary to not hemorrhage energy.

I'm no game developer and I do not pretend to be, this is simply my 2 cents.

On 2011-02-01 14:04, mOno. wrote:
Im new here ... but to me this PING looks like a bug ... so its ok to abuse bugs?
beacons do NOT work vs cloak.
And finally ... the whole invisible stuff is buggy ... sometimes visible when it should be invisible (very easy to track lol) and sometimes invisible when it should be visible -- also the attack beams r invisible then ... need to keep an eye for the health bar to even see im being attacked ...
I would prefer working beacons over an decloaking interdictor version.
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On 2011-02-01 14:04, Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny ] wrote:
I always laugh when ppl think they know it all after playing an faction for a week.

I also bet u played luth when RSM where in there, we like outnumber the other faction with two to one. And then think its easy as kluth!

sheeees



[ This Message was edited by: Tommas [ USF HunnyBunny ] on 2011-02-01 14:07 ]

On 2011-02-01 02:26, Defiance*FTL* wrote:
I think luth are where they need to be... if not, nurfed too much to be frank

On 2011-02-01 16:53, Azreal wrote:

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On 2011-02-01 02:26, Defiance*FTL* wrote: I think luth are where they need to be... if not, nurfed too much to be frank

That's really hard to tell. I don't see any good Kluth anymore to be able to judge that accurately.

How about returning our ability to target individual components on enemy ships. This would mean if you want the enemy to have jd damage, target his jd and fire. If you want cloak whacked, target and whack it. This was an extremely useful, tactical, LOGICAL way that we used to fight. I have never understood why this aspect of the game was taken out.

On 2011-02-01 16:53, Azreal wrote:

That's really hard to tell. I don't see any good Kluth anymore to be able to judge that accurately.

How about returning our ability to target individual components on enemy ships. This would mean if you want the enemy to have jd damage, target his jd and fire. If you want cloak whacked, target and whack it. This was an extremely useful, tactical, LOGICAL way that we used to fight. I have never understood why this aspect of the game was taken out.

On 2011-02-01 13:38, Reznor wrote:

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On 2011-02-01 02:01, Cory_O wrote: This really doesnt sound like it would do all that much to me. Even a 100% energy drain increase wouldnt have that much of an impact on a kluth dread with 150+ energy. That would require them to move at 6gu/sec to not lose energy. Even if they went full throttle they would lose maybe .5 energy/sec. Which is really a very miniscule amount. This would probably have the negetive effect of inspiring kluth to use dreads and stations even more exclusively. On the other hand, If they were damaged and were trying to stalk in on you to finish you off and where pinged, you could simply move at 15 gu away from them and wait patiently for their energy to.... very slowly waste away. Perhaps a better solution is to either: A. Not allow AHR's to function while cloaked. Which is a drastic step and would completely eliminate one of kluths advantages... and uniqueness, the nerf to emp cannons makes a good comparison. I like the factions being different. B. Require a significant energy increase to using AHR's while cloaked. Maybe increasing the drain from cloak while using AHR's by 300% or more, probably more as mentioned above that wouldn't really be that much energy loss. Meaning that if they want to repair and be cloaked then they need to be moving very slowly or be stationary to not hemorrhage energy. I'm no game developer and I do not pretend to be, this is simply my 2 cents.

As it stands, you can go 12.5 gu with no/next to no drain. My point is that a kluth dread can decloak and take massive damage and get away with little risk. With a higher drain to cloak while damaged, they'd have to conserve energy more (requires skill to resist spacebar fever) , in order to escape. I'm not saying that +50% drain is what it should be, that's just a number that I threw out for clarification purposes. It should be set at whatever line seperates the "You live or dye by your ability to fly" not "You press cloak button and your regen outpaces blind fire/pinging" .

I have to say though, I do like your B option a lot.


The fact of the matter is: K'luth die less than the other 2 factions.

The 15 second timer is NOT a nerf. If you cloak more than every 15 seconds, you're doing it wrong. A 25-30 second timer would make more sense.


I've played K'luth, and I like their lore the most of all the factions, but I never felt like it was very fair to play as them. I've switched to K'luth for about a week to gain perspective, and am pretty much coming to the same conclusions I always do.

I'm not suggesting a nerf, I'm suggesting we change it up so that K'luth actually requires a little skill.


To those K'luth players giving contributions: I thank you for not saying "lololol another kluth nerf thread durrr" and giving honest opinions and suggestions. And an anti-cloak field sounds like a nice idea too.

On 2011-02-01 18:40, SpaceAdmiral wrote:

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On 2011-02-01 13:38, Reznor wrote: Quote: On 2011-02-01 02:01, Cory_O wrote: This really doesnt sound like it would do all that much to me. Even a 100% energy drain increase wouldnt have that much of an impact on a kluth dread with 150+ energy. That would require them to move at 6gu/sec to not lose energy. Even if they went full throttle they would lose maybe .5 energy/sec. Which is really a very miniscule amount. This would probably have the negetive effect of inspiring kluth to use dreads and stations even more exclusively. On the other hand, If they were damaged and were trying to stalk in on you to finish you off and where pinged, you could simply move at 15 gu away from them and wait patiently for their energy to.... very slowly waste away. Perhaps a better solution is to either: A. Not allow AHR's to function while cloaked. Which is a drastic step and would completely eliminate one of kluths advantages... and uniqueness, the nerf to emp cannons makes a good comparison. I like the factions being different. B. Require a significant energy increase to using AHR's while cloaked. Maybe increasing the drain from cloak while using AHR's by 300% or more, probably more as mentioned above that wouldn't really be that much energy loss. Meaning that if they want to repair and be cloaked then they need to be moving very slowly or be stationary to not hemorrhage energy. I'm no game developer and I do not pretend to be, this is simply my 2 cents. As it stands, you can go 12.5 gu with no/next to no drain. My point is that a kluth dread can decloak and take massive damage and get away with little risk. With a higher drain to cloak while damaged, they'd have to conserve energy more (requires skill to resist spacebar fever) , in order to escape. I'm not saying that +50% drain is what it should be, that's just a number that I threw out for clarification purposes. It should be set at whatever line seperates the "You live or dye by your ability to fly" not "You press cloak button and your regen outpaces blind fire/pinging" . I have to say though, I do like your B option a lot. The fact of the matter is: K'luth die less than the other 2 factions. The 15 second timer is NOT a nerf. If you cloak more than every 15 seconds, you're doing it wrong. A 25-30 second timer would make more sense. I've played K'luth, and I like their lore the most of all the factions, but I never felt like it was very fair to play as them. I've switched to K'luth for about a week to gain perspective, and am pretty much coming to the same conclusions I always do. I'm not suggesting a nerf, I'm suggesting we change it up so that K'luth actually requires a little skill. To those K'luth players giving contributions: I thank you for not saying "lololol another kluth nerf thread durrr" and giving honest opinions and suggestions. And an anti-cloak field sounds like a nice idea too.

If you are so smart, tell me when you can survive in a kluth dessie/cruiser uncloaked in close range for 30 seconds. No, hiding behind a friendly dread or station doesn't count.
THEN tell me kluth needs another nerf.

-There is no outranging, you use beams, torps, and short ranged cannons.
-All your weapons face forward, there is no orbiting or any special dance unless you want to use 1/4 of your guns.
-Your armor sucks and you won't even notice it is there.
-No, cloaking for 5 minutes for ahr to work then getting hulled again in 10 seconds doesn't count as skill.
-No other faction has to play hide and seek to get a few opportunity shots in, they can out range (ICC) or try to brawl (UGTO) their way through.

Fix these for kluth small ships and then you can "balance" kluth all you want.

On 2011-02-01 20:10, darksmaster923 (3IC) wrote:
Why don't we buff small ships and nerf bigger ones?

On 2011-02-01 20:19, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:

As for the QQ over cloak, it's been done to death. Most Uggies don't have an issue fighting Kluth, so maybe ICC should take a leaf from their book once in a while.