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From: Philly
|  Posted: 2010-05-25 21:31
Assumptions? Maybe... Given that I've read through the lore of the game so much and all the updates to the ships in recent history that I'd wager my guesses are pretty close to home, if not dead on bullseyes.
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| Posted: 2010-05-25 21:43
I haven't read a single post in this thread but bring back rep/sabot/larvae/cl2k Command Carriers tia
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| Posted: 2010-05-25 22:07
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On 2010-05-25 21:31, Coeus wrote:
Assumptions? Maybe... Given that I've read through the lore of the game so much and all the updates to the ships in recent history that I'd wager my guesses are pretty close to home, if not dead on bullseyes.
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But your guesses are exactly that, guesses. Guesses can still be completely wrong.
In the end of the day, though, lore does not matter one bit, as it can be changed at the drop of the hat and at a complete whim.
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My opinion, yes its an old deisgn, but also Unique, Its Actually My favorite Model, don't ask me why.. sounds fine by me really
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If they kept the M300 Command Carrier and decided to just make an alternate Command Carrier, like they did with the Guppy and the M277, that would be fine as well.
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Shigernafy
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From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2010-05-26 06:41
Like I said, making models more purdy isn't our top priority; if anything, it'd be to add completely new ships. That said, feel free to look into some of the modeling options mentioned in this thread and submit something -- it's easier for us to tweak a submitted model than create a new one from scratch.
Also, for the record, "scaling up" is entirely possible and simple but would likely look pretty hokey. Sure, we could make a scout the size of a dread (in fact, in the ship definition file, scale is a simple float we could change, and most ships are actually scaled down a bit to a consistent size), but I suspect it would look funny. Partly because we're not used to seeing it that large, and partly because smaller ships are less detailed - fewer polys and all that.
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From: Philly
| Posted: 2010-05-26 18:48
Yes, but my guesses are based on actual written lore. You just don't like how the ship looks because... you don't like how the ship looks.
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| Posted: 2010-05-26 20:00
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On 2010-05-26 18:48, Coeus wrote:
Yes, but my guesses are based on actual written lore.
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Which means, what, exactly?
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You just don't like how the ship looks because... you don't like how the ship looks.
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Is there something wrong with expressing opinion?
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| Posted: 2010-05-26 20:09
do recall that many ICC ships are/were originally converted civilian craft. hence the guppy, and presumably the MD/CC model. since ICC was originally part of the UGTO it makes sense for some of our vessels to be similar to UGTO designs, or to have similar features.
the MD/CC model is a case of it being a bit more obvious: it wouldnt look terribly out of place as a white and red UGTO ship. the guppy sort of followed that trend. honestly i wouldnt mind seeing some more "old-hulls converted to combat" on the ICC. the new Missile Cruiser hull is very UGTO-ish as well (in that it looks like a wang....)
some design features relate between UGTO and ICC as well. for instance, take a look at the battle dread hull on UGTO, and then the assault dread hull on ICC. at the top youll notice they both have these kind of fin things comes out near the back. the ICC dread model has an arch going over it, but they dont meet.
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| Posted: 2010-05-26 22:35
Just a thought here. 
Going with lore, early ICC ships would have been converted civvy ships, as they rebelled and broke away from the UGTO taking with them whatever they could and then jury-rigging them for combat.
But if ICC were to design and deploy new models, they would be purpose-built warships of completely different designs now, wouldn't they?
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| Posted: 2010-05-26 23:01
Pretty sure that's an unoriginal thought that has been mentioned at least twice thus far in this very thread. But yes, that is the story with the ICC.
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| Posted: 2010-05-26 23:05
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On 2010-05-26 23:01, Shigernafy wrote:
Pretty sure that's an unoriginal thought that has been mentioned at least twice thus far in this very thread. But yes, that is the story with the ICC.
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Nah, I'm not trying to claim any credit for originality. 
Wondering why ICCs are complaining abt basically everything. Their shields, their missiles, Kluths, UGTO, and now.... how their ships look like.
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| Posted: 2010-05-27 07:18
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On 2010-05-26 23:05, Kenny_Naboo wrote:
Nah, I'm not trying to claim any credit for originality.
Wondering why ICCs are complaining abt basically everything. Their shields, their missiles, Kluths, UGTO, and now.... how their ships look like.
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Because ICC has a playerbase that consists of more than one person, who may have differing priorities, depending on the person, on what needs to change about the game.
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But if ICC were to design and deploy new models, they would be purpose-built warships of completely different designs now, wouldn't they?
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Yes and no. The only 'Old designs' are the M-300 dreadnought (Missile Dread, Command Carrier), the Guppy, and the old Minelayer Destroyer (Minelayer Dessy, Escort Dessy). All of the other models are considered 'New' by ICC standards.
If ICC Ship production was focused on replacing their older models, than it would either be the Missile Dreadnought, the Command Carrier, the Minelayer Destroyer, or the Escort Destroyer that gets replaced.
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From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2010-05-27 15:52
They may not necessarily prioritize replacement hulls, though; it could be a different class that they want to beef up, or they consider those hulls sufficient enough for their purposes that they'd rather build a custom hull to support some other use that isn't currently adequately able to be accomodated with existing hulls.
Anyway, we can talk this in circles til the gaifen comes home, but the moral of the story is that we still don't have the time and talent to redo ships on a whim.
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| Posted: 2010-05-31 20:03
I do have an idea on how to improve the old M-300 model... remove the engine pylons, and place the two engines directly against the hull of the vessel, with possibly a small size reduction on the engines. This would make the M-300 a lot easier to look at, at least.
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