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Idealist
Joined: April 10, 2010
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|  Posted: 2010-04-10 10:31
I come to you cloaked to avoid scrutiny.
I have an observation to relay and I don’t want to be flamed because of.
As we all know ICC is lacking a fleet of substantial power.. Yes I know ICC has many outstanding fleets.. However none of them come close to the might of *Renegade Space Marines* for UGTO, or have the an active player base as large as Pitch Black. Nor is any single ICC fleet as tatical or feared as Praetorian Wolves. I understand there used to be a mighty ICC fleet Fatal Squadron, which broke off into Faster than light, and Trinity, and Trinity was further broken into Order and Chaos. I propose FS reclaim its splinters and become mighty once again. Poor FS,, *FTL*,, =TR=,, and -OaC- into a melting pot.. and forge a mighty ICC fleet once again.. As there is bad blood between these fleets.. I know im asking for much.. So I propose they all unite under a fith party.. a neutral fleet.. For my example Raven Warriors.
This new fleet would have
members-------------------129
Score------------------3819326
Rank---------------------------1
Forge this alliance and make ICC mighty again!
Thank you.
[ This Message was edited by: Idealist on 2010-04-10 10:32 ]
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Azreal
Chief Marshal
Joined: March 14, 2004
Posts: 2816
From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2010-04-10 11:03
If I may be so bold.....
The problem with ICC is the same as with UGTO. The lack of leadership, and even more so the lack of follwership.
There are old veterans returning who may be able to bring back some of what has been lost to the factions. However, as I have flown my alt accts on those factions, I have observed that when you have real solid tactical leaders, most of the time they are ignored.
Even though you do not carry the same tag, you are the same faction.
On K'luth we generally have a person who is leading everything at a given time. Not always, but almost always. It is just done. Its standard proceedure. Our existance depends on it. And most of the time, the "leader" isnt designated. We naturally listen to the person we perceive to be the best.
When that leader says "we need such and such ship", that ship is spawned by a player and brought to the action. When that leader says, ok retreat and regroup, we retreat and regroup. If that leader says ok, everyone jump target XXX, then everyone available jumps target XXX. We dont leave each other to die. We cover each other's arcs and red armor. We play as though we are a fleet and we may be PB and Wolf flying wings. Its just how its done.
ICC has Fatal Command, Veron and other old school veterans who are able to step forward and lead. My question is, who is willing to step up and follow?
Until you get this part down, even being in the same fleet will not help you.
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2010-04-10 11:26
The usual problem is people tend to think they're better than everyone else, so they're exempt from the advice, etc. Whilst there's nothing forcing anyone to listen to anyone else, it's generally not a good idea for everyone to be John Rambo.
K'luth are the best at this, I never see them flying ships they don't need to fly. UGTO, in my opinion, tend to be the worst (zillions of stations when you don't need one, let alone 8, for example), with ICC in the middle.
You can shout orders till you're blue in the face - it doesn't mean anyone will listen.
(P.S. Moved to diplomacy)
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Idealist
Joined: April 10, 2010
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| Posted: 2010-04-10 11:33
could have swore i did put it in diplomacy
TR
FS
FTL
OaC
Raven
respond?
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Borgie
Chief Marshal
Pitch Black
Joined: August 15, 2005
Posts: 2256
From: close by
| Posted: 2010-04-10 12:00
to give up the FS name. i don't think that would happen any time soon. FS is one of the iccs oldest fleets.
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UnknownWarrior
Grand Admiral
Raven Warriors
Joined: July 18, 2002
Posts: 724
From: North Carolina, USA
| Posted: 2010-04-10 12:11
A few of us in Eptiome are actually from Raven. Right now we're trying to get people to sign up so we can start doing fleet based operations similiar if not identical to what Raven did in the past. Though obviously due to RL issues some of the members have vanished for a bit.
Being from Raven myself, I completely agree that ICC needs more tactical leadership while ingame. And as for the player base goes, most of the time if someone from the old days starts suggesting things to happen, it might be a good idea to listen.
But as Jack and Az stated, people seem to think they know it all and never listen, until people start figuring out that working as a team leads to success, what happening now is just going to keep going on.
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Meko
Grand Admiral
Joined: March 03, 2004
Posts: 1956
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2010-04-10 12:18
ICC has too many know it alls.
the current ICC fleets have minimal activity, and minimal coordination.
However, Epitome runs a vent server, and closely works with TK. We are beginning to make the effort of makin a difference.
Any ICC players that have mic's and want to be a part of a unit, talk to me when ya see me online
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Meko
Grand Admiral
Joined: March 03, 2004
Posts: 1956
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2010-04-10 12:21
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On 2010-04-10 12:11, Duo-021- wrote:
But as Jack and Az stated, people seem to think they know it all and never listen, until people start figuring out that working as a team leads to success, what happening now is just going to keep going on.
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Which is why we take care of Ep1 and TK Duo. if peeps want in on the vent server, and in on our actions they can simply join us.
too many headaches in the past trying to do anything otherwise
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Xydes
Grand Admiral
Joined: August 07, 2009
Posts: 276
From: England
| Posted: 2010-04-10 12:42
Right first of all: -OaC- did not really split from =TR=. Made this fleet cuz =TR= went luth for a week. And some ppl wanted a fleet that would surely stay ICC.
Secondly: I really don't want to give up the name -OaC-, Just the same as FS members don't want to give up FS.
Thirdly: As far as I am concerned... We don't all need to go under one roof.
A strong roof is made up of MANY bricks. If -OaC-, FS, =TR=, *FTL*, Ep1, TK and Raven all worked more co-efficiently. Then ICC would be the once great fleet it was back in the day.
Forthly: ICC does need someone to lead them. Cause sometimes you get... Painfulangel saying: Right I am going to jump so and so, Valk get in your SS follow me. But its a suicide mission that will surely fail. You get half the team saying ok let us get ready first. He jumps and he dies a horrible death. So in any case we do need some unity but not in the sense you are going about. And we need some leadership aswell.
Thats my take on it.
-Val [-OaC-]Fleet Admin
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Izzy
Fleet Admiral
Interstellar Cultural Confederation United
Joined: March 15, 2006
Posts: 41
From: USA
| Posted: 2010-04-10 13:30
Yes unity, in a sense would be nice, but like its been said before, to many people think they know whats best and what to do, when all they want to do is start a fight and hopefully not get blown up. Yes it is hard to find any given fleet on at a time, it's not like we spend our lives on here playing nothing but DS, most of us have other things we have to be doing. Like Valk said it wouldn't be a wise idea for everyone to combine into one fleet, it would only make things worse.
I, unfortunately, will be leaving the DS community in a month do to me getting married! and moving. Though when the time does come along that a leader will step forward, i think people will listen, once they get their heads out of the clouds and understand whats going on, this isn't just oh enemy shoot 'pew pew' game, its all about tactics if you can't work together then you don't need to be playing.
On another note, i'll be sad to leave this game. But i hope to return one day, even though most of you don't know me (in game). May 15, 2010.
Through Chaos we ensure Order!
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Fatal Command (CO)
Marshal
Fatal Squadron
Joined: November 27, 2002
Posts: 1158
From: over here in New York noticing some ppl are like canoes.....they need to be paddled.
| Posted: 2010-04-10 14:12
As soon as the lock is off FS will be going back to ICC. As far as the leadership issue,there's three rules to teamwork,you have to pick and do just one of em.
1.LEAD
2.FOLLOW
3.GET THE HELL OUT OF THE WAY.
FS is pretty good at all 3...are you?.
AND in case anyone hasnt noticed,FS has went from 1 active...to 2...to 3...to 4...and slowly gathering its old Fleetmates.
Fear us should we all return!
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Borgie
Chief Marshal
Pitch Black
Joined: August 15, 2005
Posts: 2256
From: close by
| Posted: 2010-04-10 14:21
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On 2010-04-10 12:42, Valkaryie - God of Order wrote:
Forthly: ICC does need someone to lead them. Cause sometimes you get... Painfulangel saying: Right I am going to jump so and so, Valk get in your SS follow me. But its a suicide mission that will surely fail. You get half the team saying ok let us get ready first. He jumps and he dies a horrible death. So in any case we do need some unity but not in the sense you are going about. And we need some leadership aswell.
Thats my take on it.
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thats part of the problem people doing suicide missions. if icc learns to play smarter we can over come the nerfs we get.
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Jar Jar Binks
Grand Admiral
Joined: December 25, 2001
Posts: 556
| Posted: 2010-04-10 14:59
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On 2010-04-10 11:03, Azreal wrote:
I have observed that when you have real solid tactical leaders, most of the time they are ignored.
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thats because they all resort to using CAPS after 10 minutes. and i cant take someone using caps serious.
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G.Adm. Kirk
Grand Admiral
Courageous Elite Commandos
Joined: May 13, 2005
Posts: 91
From: Baton Rouge, LA
| Posted: 2010-04-10 15:02
I know that I can't speak for the ICC, but I personally hate the process of bombing and capturing planets. I hated cloud bombing as well, but perhaps not quite as much as the current system (of tranny rushing or nuking the power).
When fleetops go down, I will gladly provide support, but if the plan involves me getting a bomber or a tranny, chances are good that I will find something interesting to watch on tv.
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Azreal
Chief Marshal
Joined: March 14, 2004
Posts: 2816
From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2010-04-10 15:46
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On 2010-04-10 15:02, F.Adm. Kirk wrote:
I know that I can't speak for the ICC, but I personally hate the process of bombing and capturing planets. I hated cloud bombing as well, but perhaps not quite as much as the current system (of tranny rushing or nuking the power).
When fleetops go down, I will gladly provide support, but if the plan involves me getting a bomber or a tranny, chances are good that I will find something interesting to watch on tv.
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And yet, when SOMEBODY is bombing, who then is running escort duty? Do you just accept that the enemy will let the bomber have the planet with no resistance?
If you dont want to bomb, then ride shotgun in a cruiser or dread and escort the bombers. There shouldnt be single bomber and sup teams seen in the game. They should be ineffectual, because the enemy is responding to an attck. That would mean that you will be needed in any planet capturing, because it would require all of the ships that make up an invasion fleet from a scout to a supply or station.
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