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Lark of Serenity
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Joined: June 02, 2002
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|  Posted: 2008-12-21 13:53
while i probably still cant play *grumble grumble*...
a patrol route of some kind for idol ships would be an excellent idea. another possible thing to do would be to create a "fleet pool" section, where idol ships go to await new orders. put an AI support station in each home system and have it be the pooling point. same station could be the AI's "command centre" and order ships out to do things if theres too many. maybe make AI ships choose randomly between patrolling or pooling if idol.
or is that an obscene amount of code? =P
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Joined: March 22, 2006
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From: Philly
| Posted: 2008-12-21 17:40
LARK! There have been a good number of improvements for Vista/Multicore users, and some bugfixes for you to try! Find that one major Vista thread & read Faust's post there!
Will try the AI soon hopefully, sounds like a good job thusfar though.
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Meko
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Joined: March 03, 2004
Posts: 1956
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2008-12-23 10:38
adding the AI ships to darkspace was the singlemost intelligent change the dev's have ever made. not only is it a lure for new players its a passtime for older players. in plain english, the MV is not boring anymore.
well done.
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DarkSpin
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| Posted: 2008-12-23 11:00
it is a good idea... but does the adminastrations and developers have the time to actualy inplement it?
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JBud
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Joined: February 26, 2008
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From: Behind you.
| Posted: 2008-12-23 11:21
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On 2008-12-23 11:00, DarkSpin [repent] wrote:
it is a good idea... but does the adminastrations and developers have the time to actualy inplement it?
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Darkspin, the've done it already... We have massive fleets of AI roaming the MV right now.. Get with the program yo!
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Dionysian *EP5* (Angel of Destruction)
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Joined: November 21, 2003
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| Posted: 2008-12-23 14:59
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On 2008-12-23 11:00, DarkSpin [repent] wrote:
it is a good idea... but does the adminastrations and developers have the time to actualy inplement it?
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You have to go in and try.
AI ships are overall a nice balance - not too agressive or too cowardly. Will take hull damage then run - don;t hurt too much but will hurt you a bit.
They attract combat - the supps will sup ya. Generally it;s all good.
One thing I'd like to see is the numbers of AI ships dynamically adjust to maintain some kind of balance in the key systems - i.e. if iCC have a fleet twice as powerful as everyone elses then there AI fleet is small and weedy whilst UGTO and Kluth get AI battle stations, supp stations, EADs and Siphons etc to even it out a bit
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Faustus
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Joined: May 29, 2001
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From: Austin, Texas
| Posted: 2008-12-23 15:29
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One thing I'd like to see is the numbers of AI ships dynamically adjust to maintain some kind of balance in the key systems - i.e. if iCC have a fleet twice as powerful as everyone elses then there AI fleet is small and weedy whilst UGTO and Kluth get AI battle stations, supp stations, EADs and Siphons etc to even it out a bit
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That's already implemented... as the number of players increase for a given faction, the strength of the AI ships for that faction decrease...
we have the opposite system for the MI and Pirates... as players increase, the AI population increases.
-F
[ This Message was edited by: Faustus on 2008-12-23 15:30 ]
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Sixkiller
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Joined: May 11, 2005
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From: Netherlands
| Posted: 2008-12-23 16:58
Just 1 more suggestion, lower the base limit for when MV is empty. THere are to many AI, respawning to fast. I was in MV, with 3 luthies, doing nothing but shooting AI. When a Pirate STation spawned it attracted some attention, and we fought 2 other players, but for the rest, it was turning into grinding. The AI fighting is to profitable, the PvP combat gets ignored like this.
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Delando
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| Posted: 2008-12-23 18:24
Ok, i'd like to compliment who ever wrote the AI for the Krill.
I've had to track this ship across 3 systems before i finally got him. extremly slipery, unlinear behavior when attacked, very challenging hunt, almost mistook it for a player.
it does not cloake well, but other than that, it was very "human" AI.
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JBud
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| Posted: 2008-12-23 19:03
I've seen the K'Luth AI cloak... It seems to be that they have a chance to cloak when their hull is below 50% just like the chance at jumping away they dont always do it but sometimes they do
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Jim Starluck
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From: Cincinnati, OH
| Posted: 2008-12-23 19:13
Yes, they can be quite slippery at times. I had a rather epic chase trying to kill a Clavate earlier, had to track his jump multiple times and then when I finally had him pinned he cloaked. Luckily he didn't hold it for long and I nailed him when he decloaked.
They should have some rule that if they're heavily damaged and cloaked, they shouldn't decloak until their hull is above some specific level. And then related rules that would ensure they had enough energy to stay cloaked until they had regenerated.
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Meko
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| Posted: 2008-12-24 00:49
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no. that would simply make it boring again.
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again i disagree. sure the grinding of npc's is something ppl may do. but this also sets them up nicely for you to point jump and gank them. thus pvp is more... spontanious now.
nothin like having some guy gettin hulled by some NPC's, then you hop in a dictor and go tackle him and finish him off. imagin the smack on /y chat. ohh man id need a bucket for my tears of laughter.
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| Posted: 2008-12-24 07:39
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no. that would simply make it boring again.
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again i disagree. sure the grinding of npc's is something ppl may do. but this also sets them up nicely for you to point jump and gank them. thus pvp is more... spontanious now.
nothin like having some guy gettin hulled by some NPC's, then you hop in a dictor and go tackle him and finish him off. imagin the smack on /y chat. ohh man id need a bucket for my tears of laughter.
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So what do you do when two or even the majority of all three factions band together for mutual prestige farming of AI?
I mean, you get two or three people on each side together in one place in big enough ships, working together, well. Thats a slight bit harder to budge than just 'point jump and gank them', especially if they're grinding with a station.
Which isn't hard to do, incase you're wondering.
On a side note, AI ships are smarter, but they have an irritating disposition to fight on their own sometimes.
AI ships would be alot more deadly if they decided to work as a coherent group rather than a scattered force being picked off one by one.
-Ent
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SaturnShadow™ *FC*(Angel Of Darkness)
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From: UK
| Posted: 2008-12-24 07:42
well ive not experienced that if i saw a normal player id go for him in stead of the AI
but to make really if we are to hav the AI roaming round i think the mods/devs need to set the AI so that each ship has twice the speed and twice the amount of fire power that a normal ship would hav so here is an example of a ship that i know the layout of
the battle station
normal layout
8 QSTs (6 of which can be fired at one time)
8 HCLs (7 of which can be fired at one time)
4 missile slots (3 of which can be fired at one time)
6 SCLs (5 of which can be fired at one time)
4 fighter slots
max speed of 6 GU
2 armor rings on each side
now this is the set up for if it was the AI e.g pirates and MI (the pirates and MI should hav twice the amount of weapons armor and speed)
altered weapon layout for the Battle station
16 QSTs
16 HCLs
8 Missile slots
12 SCLs
8 Fighter slots
max speed of 12 GU
4 armor rings on each side
now that is wat im hoping the mods/admins can do this for the MI and Pirates AI ships (that means all the ships being used in the script) all that needs doing is looking at standard layout then doubling most of except the jump drive and special equipment that way it might stop single players attacking the AI ships on their own.
As i found out yesterday i was in my Battle Station and jumped the Pirate Station that was around a defended planet and it was only just able to get thru my armor to my hull and by that time he was down to 30 Hull.
So i REALLY like the AI but atm they are too easy to kill so its needed to double their attack defence and speed to compensate for the AI.... so instead of lowing the pres gain from wat it is just raise the Stats on them ships and keep the same pres gain.
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| Posted: 2008-12-24 08:35
ai ships rule, they can actually have some level of difficulty
i mean, its not hard, but its a start.
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