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The Master Debator
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|  Posted: 2008-08-22 10:53
This may have been suggested but instead of cannons and missiles, why don't fighters use Torpedoes! Of course they would have "ammo" so to speak so there isnt 20 fighters in the air pelting a poor ship with well... 20 proton torps into oblivion.
Loadouts I think would be somewhat balanced:
ICC F-29- 2 L2 fusion torps with 6 torps total
UGTO A-34 1 L3 proton torp and 1 L3 Particle cannon with four torpedoes
Kluth Larvae Horde 1 L3 Antimatter torp and 1 L2 Psi cannon with three torpedoes
The Idea is that the Fighters can only fire once or twice per run on a ship, so for example a F-29 would release 6 torps or 3 salvos total before returning to the carrier. Of course this would need tweaking and balancing, but also it would make interceptor fighters useful... Assuming the hardworking devs *cough* *cough* get around to coding them
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| Posted: 2008-08-22 14:44
I'm not seeing fighters with the ability to launch torpedo's at all, since scouts can only have 2 or 3 at most.
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| Posted: 2008-08-22 16:07
I think what would be great that u could order your fighters to defend specific ship and/or attack to enemy fighters with your owns.but sound too laggy..
just an idea tho.
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| Posted: 2008-08-22 17:13
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On 2008-08-22 14:44, Grantham wrote:
I'm not seeing fighters with the ability to launch torpedo's at all, since scouts can only have 2 or 3 at most.
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Im not talking abount mounts, each fighter at most would be shooting six torpedoes then returning to the carrier. and with that in mind it shouldnt take long for two or three passes at any vessel.
Fighters launch
Fighters attack
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On 2008-08-22 16:07, pakhos wrote:
I think what would be great that u could order your fighters to defend specific ship and/or attack to enemy fighters with your owns.but sound too laggy..
just an idea tho.
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Interceptors were supposed to do this
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Eledore Massis [R33]
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| Posted: 2008-08-23 10:15
current fighters aren't that smart currently.
Torpedo's would be nice since the don't track so might require the same resources as cannon device.
But in my vision i don't think human fighters, even the assault variant should have torpedo's. K'Luth however might be worth considering, but adding it currently would only imbalance the fighter powers of the factions.
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| Posted: 2008-08-23 13:09
the torpedoes would more or less be "wing mounted" if you get what i mean, and arent UGTO fighters supposed to be superior?
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| Posted: 2008-08-23 13:18
fighters fire small missiles
perhaps fighters could fire small torpedeos.
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| Posted: 2008-08-23 15:14
If fighters were to be beefed up like that, point def would have to be beefed up too. But i think its an ok idea since it would require ED's and PD's to do their job and protect fleets from fighter attacks.
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| Posted: 2008-08-23 22:21
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On 2008-08-23 15:14, Deltaflyer wrote:
If fighters were to be beefed up like that, point def would have to be beefed up too. But i think its an ok idea since it would require ED's and PD's to do their job and protect fleets from fighter attacks.
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seeing as PD is already one hit one kill, most destroyer class+ ships can take out a entire fighter group before they even finish their run. With the exception being the aggy carrier which should be using fighters as its main weapon anyway.
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 09:05
sounds like fun make the aggy carrier have a use next patch.
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 12:57
but torps cant be shot down and the fighters can probably launch a torp before the PD gets them all. Or another idea, add this onto ur fatal.
Have a hit-odds counter for all fighters, assault fighters taking on capital ships have a 30% chance of dodging a point def beam, bombers have a 30% chance of dodging a planet's def beam and interceptors have a 30% chace of dodging another fighter's beam.
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 15:05
Er, alright.
Fighters arent ment to have alot of weapons. Realisticaly, they shouldnt even have normal ship's cannons, they should have a much smaller variant. (Look at BSG's fighters, their a great example.)
I've always wanted to see actual fighter-specific weapons, instead of just throwing Particle Cannons/Rails and Missles on them. While I guess it would take abit more work, I don't see how resizing the current weapon animations (and models) to fit fighters would be hard.
I've also wanted to get rid of CL PD, I just think it's too easy to nock off projectiles. Maybe a small cannon with rapid fire - don't worry, the animation for it could just have 5-6 shells in one frame instead of the normal - as Point Defense.
The layout I'd expect for a Fighter would be one cannon, 2-3 smaller missles. No torpedoes.
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 15:22
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On 2008-08-24 15:05, Crim {Pants?} wrote:
Er, alright.
Fighters arent ment to have alot of weapons. Realisticaly, they shouldnt even have normal ship's cannons, they should have a much smaller variant. (Look at BSG's fighters, their a great example.)
I've always wanted to see actual fighter-specific weapons, instead of just throwing Particle Cannons/Rails and Missles on them. While I guess it would take abit more work, I don't see how resizing the current weapon animations (and models) to fit fighters would be hard.
I've also wanted to get rid of CL PD, I just think it's too easy to nock off projectiles. Maybe a small cannon with rapid fire - don't worry, the animation for it could just have 5-6 shells in one frame instead of the normal - as Point Defense.
The layout I'd expect for a Fighter would be one cannon, 2-3 smaller missles. No torpedoes.
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how about dumbfire missiles with a bigger punch 
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 16:39
I got some time on my hands currently so lets type a lot.
First the quick reply's- Torpedo's that might hurt the big ships should be large, read below for more comments.
- Fighters have smaller weapons on them they just use the same technology as the big ships.
Particle cannons, rain guns, psi etc.
- the PD currently is instant kill, despite the visual being a laser.
IF you want to make the PD a true weapon system where the PD might miss, than all projectiles or beams fired should be properly calculated by the server, to see if it is a true hit or not. Increasing the resource requirements.
The idea is nice, but.. i don't see it happen soon, unless it won't be a extra strain.
About chancing the animation of the PD, agreed and if i recall. (5 sec later). [url]. just might need some dev work.
- Missiles on fighters, agreed with "Gejaheline" should be dumb. (or short-range smart one's that won't increase the LAG experience.)
Humans use fighters for, long range attacks and anti-fighter purposes.
Interceptor; is fast and excellent maneuverability. Has a anti-fighter cannon/laser. (might carry a very fast anti-fighter missile.)
Assault class; average speed, good maneuverability. Carries a pair of cannons and medium range Dumb-fire anti-ship missiles. (e.g. sabots)
Bomber; slow, average maneuverability, needs more than one hit to kill. carries a Fusion Anti-planetary weapon. (can be used against ships to.)
Recon; different per faction. (ICC might have a PD-beam while UGTO might have carry a ... .)
K'Luth, they only use fighters in a planet's atmosphere, or as personal shuttle of high ranking personnel. The human fighter concept is new but there are adapting fast.
Interceptor; fast, average maneuverability, has cloak (but weak in power). carries either, two anti-fighter cannons or a single disruptor.
Assault Class; average speed, good maneuverability. Carries a array of weak psi cannons and a AM torp launcher.
Bomber; Slow, average maneuverability. carries Biobombs (possibly even a weak scanner.)
Recon; (Should K'Luth even be allowed this? makes sense to me, unless recon-unit is cloaked.)
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| Posted: 2008-08-24 16:52
on the note of recon fighters, heck even all fighters, even when they are within 100gu of a planet, you cannot camera them and target the buildings. I find this counter productive
Also the torps are to be "low level" so they do not do as much damage as even a torpedo from say, a corvette
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