On 2006-10-16 06:59, BackSlash *Jack* wrote:

There is no need for this, the current rings serve as an indicator only, and it would be hard for someone to try and look at a scout going that quickly with rings hugged to its hulls. Also some of us who are colour blind would not be able to distincivly recognize it, so I don't see what it really does bring to the game, although me and Draf did want to do something different with armor rings a while gack.

I don't see a problem with this really. And you're actually wrong. Once someone is out of range of a weapon (beam), it will not do any damage. The reason you still take damage is because the server is still sending you information from when you where next to the dread - you simply havn't recieved allthe data.

Two UGTO Torp Cruisers.

For instance lets give them some loadouts..

TC #1 = 9 CL's, 7 Torps.
TC #2 = 5 CL's, 4 Flux Beams, 7 Torps.

TC #1 does more damage than TC #2, but, TC #2 will do more systems damage than TC #2, therefor it should level out, as TC #2 will go into armour sooner than TC #1, but once TC #1 does, his systems will start to degrade.

See what I'm getting at here?

On 2006-10-16 23:49, leonide wrote:
i love it how Jack and Fattie fight. it is a good show.

On 2006-10-17 19:56, Fattierob (x2 ND-001 Nadesico) wrote:

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On 2006-10-16 23:49, leonide wrote: i love it how Jack and Fattie fight. it is a good show.

fight? no. We are debating.


whatever stupid word you wish to use to label what we are doing......

On 2006-10-22 00:56, Bitopherous wrote:
Ok, I skipped ahead and hit reply after Shigs [first?] post, so tell me how uninformed I am and all that if i missed something important.

First, BackSlash said something about the modding being "too complex" for the new kids? Maybe Im in the minority, but when I downloaded the client for this game, the complexity of this game was what got me hooked. I loved everything from the building, to the giant ships dwarfing my extractor, to the modding that actually gave me a sense of ownership and personalization over my little boat. Complexity, bad? I dont think so.

Second, and again, maybe Im in the minority, but what was wrong with the old [.480] modding system? Frankly, the huge (or what is considered huge now) array of different ship configs was what made the MV interesting, and dare I say it, exciting. There weren't 40 weapon slots on a cruiser, but you could do a lot with those slots. Anyone remember the old Heavy Cruiser? Or the old version of the Assault Dread? They were ships that could be modded for many different types of combat.

ah the goold old days.. id like to says its as complex as you want to make it. its kind of a learning curve issue, simple for new players (if all you want to do is fight, just hop in a ship and go), players with some time and skill under their belts can get into more advanced stuff like trade routes (what was it? .481 or 2 that had the To/From trade route buttons?) and the Macroecomics of Aggregate Supply and Demand in the the Tau Ceti Black Market.

A few quick hits for you from the past to let you know what I mean:

• The Battle Dread: Armed with sabots, psi, flux...the Battle Dread was often overshadowed by the EAD, but it was efficient at what it was supposed to do. And the way you could mod it to fit whatever you need was nice because you werent bound to ONE FREAKING model.
  
  i loved my bd.. 3 R1500s, 7 pcannons, 3 CL2ks, could alpha at 20gu/s till the cows came home..
  
  
  
• Mines: Mine ships really added to the dimension of outthinking your enemy and outpiloting him, rather than simply pressing spacebar the fastest. Mines added a skill factor to the battle for both the Mine-r and the Mine-ee. The Mine-r had to get himself into position to attack with a non-moving weapon, and the Mine-ee had to simply keep out of range. Good times, until mines were made useless.
  
  not to mention mine fields around gates
  

On 2006-10-22 07:27, BackSlash *Jack* wrote:
Ah, you see, we want to make it like that.

The new modding system is just to make it easier. Currently it's a pain in the rear end to right click and replace everything, and when a lag spike hits, you can duplicate slots (bad!). This is a system which is aimed at making it easier for new players to learn, and to stop the duplicate slot error (hopefully). You mean Restrictive Modding? uh no, what would be the point of Darkspace if we had RESTRICTIVE modding on all ships? come on i thought this was supposed to be a fun game not a restrictive game

Second of all, this system still allows you modding, just not so much that it breaks the game. We want to give each ship a role, and make it useful in that roll. We wan't players to be thinking "Do I really need to modify this ship?" - as it's already useful. We most likely will be locking out faction tech in 1.484, it just breaks the game in so many ways. Everyone rolling around with particle cannons, and everyone using fusion torpedo's... It's not such a bad thing to be honest (locking tech), a specific factions tech was meant for that faction, not for another - it's the whole reason faction tech was designed. We'll most likely have to look at weapons, so things like fusion torpedo's don't do more damage over a small amount of time than any other torp, but we will define rolls to each ship to make them useful, so you won't need to modify them at all, if much. This system should not Restrict All Factions Tech, for 1 it gives this game depth on how we aquire the other tech such as stealing or "borrowing the tech", dont lock the tech it makes the game unfun and less appealing.


For instance, say we fit the assault cruiser with a ton of torps and beams. "Woot!". But, it has no cannons and no real long range weapons, so we bring in the heavy cruiser, has some long range arments (ICC are long range based), and some cannons - not many (if any) torpedo's, and few beams. You see where I'm heading? If you want to do A) you bring ship A, if you want to do B), you bring ship B. We don't want to see...

"I'm modding ship A to do thing B) because ship A is better than ship B at thing B) when modded!".

This will make fleet organisation important, and bringing a mix and match of things very important. If everyone just brings assault cruisers, you're going to have no long range weapons if you go and try to assault a planet, and you're going to have to endanger yourself by getting close to the planet.

I hope this clears up a bit of confusion some-what. no it doesnt clear up any confusion, it in fact makes the confusion worse for people like me who like all cannons and not lasers, in my opinion. Fix the damn Lag and the mirv bug, modding does NOT need to be fixed...by the way if you wanna avoid a damn slot duplication...just do what i do wait until the lag spike is over or press the damn slot once and wait that way you wont have a dup slot lol