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Cataclysm
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Joined: November 26, 2005
Posts: 45
|  Posted: 2005-12-10 15:41
I'm a new player who's free 14 day trial is coming to an end. In my 14 days I have played mostly k'luth as I have experienced that they have the best little community out of the factions imo (even though it's the smallest - somtimes bolstered by the odd ugto regular trying it out).
Until today I was quite certain I would be subscribing to this game but now I'm not so certain and I'd like to ask some questions.
Today when I finally got on Metaverse I went onto K'luth and found to my surprize that because UGTO and ICC found no K'luth online they decided to take ALL our systems by Mirving every single one of them.
Now can I ask what's the point in building all these planets if because there are not enough K'luth online ever due to the other factions being far more "lucrative" due to "bugged ships" and stuff to defend these planets so we wake up every day to find we have no planets and no systems left.
Quite funilly members of FS keep taunting me for "always being in a bomber". I don't like this part of the community especially since it is obvious there is nothing for K'luth to do atm but recap planets and try in vein to build them sufficiently that we don't get wiped out every single day of the week.
I read on an old DS fansite that it used to be K'luth that were considered overpowered, who's idea was it to make them so badly underpowered as a punishment?
I may be a mere newbie but from reading the manual I was under the impression In my first cruiser I would be able to at least scratch the paintwork on an enemy destroyer. Yet when I decloak to shoot a picket destroyer my ship is eaten alive and I barely touch his armour. What is going on? :S
Can I also ask why so many Grand Admirals and Admirals hang around in destroyers and not stations or dreads? Somtimes i'm finding it harder to hit them than dreads too. (these are mainly the same people who taunt me for using a transport with bio bombs)
Oh and how often is this game updated by the developers. I know it's an old game but it still has a good player base and a lot of potential. It has a daily server restart and there are obviously developers around somwhere as I saw a message today and there seems to be staff meetings. What goes on at these meetings and when are imbalances etc to be ironed out?
I'd like to play and bring a good number of friends with me to the game but I'd really like to hear the answers to these things first. I got told earlier not to bother subscribing as there's no point atm by an Admiral in K'luth. Some of what I've seen today seems to suggest this also.
Can anyone help?
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-12-10 15:52
Both UGTO and K'luth have had a nerf stick waved at them this patch. Armor bug for UGTO, beacons for K'luth. But, EVERY side has a bomber to abuse. Unfortunatly, ICC shields are bugged, and they have quiet a few bombing ships. The bomber dread alone can obliterate planets (one or two) in one pass.
There's nothing anyone can do.
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| Posted: 2005-12-10 15:54
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On 2005-12-10 15:41, Cataclysm wrote:
I'm a new player who's free 14 day trial is coming to an end. In my 14 days I have played mostly k'luth as I have experienced that they have the best little community out of the factions imo (even though it's the smallest).
Until today I was quite certain I would be subscribing to this game but now I'm not so certain and I'd like to ask some questions.
Today when I finally got on Metaverse I went onto K'luth and found to my surprize that because UGTO and ICC found no K'luth online they decided to take ALL our systems by Mirving every single one of them. |
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Actualy, it was ICC who mirved all the K'luth systems..UGTO where the ones that came in and stopped them from wiping you out completley..
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Well, UGTO has been mirved constantly by ICC and K'luth, waking up to no shipyards, but we still builds..Something about toughing it out...K'luth does have a small base of players, but their some of the oldest and best players in the game, they can handle themselves in tough times
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Quite funilly members of FS keep taunting me for "always being in a bomber". I don't like this part of the community especially since it is obvious there is nothing for K'luth to do atm but recap planets and try in vein to build them sufficiently that we don't get wiped out every single day of the week. |
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FS is the biggest abusing fleet at the moment, it's known by every fleet and faction, yet they themselves refuse to see that they do this, and constantly brag on their 'skill' and demean lesser players
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I read on an old DS fansite that it used to be K'luth that were considered overpowered, who's idea was it to make them so badly underpowered as a punishment? |
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How old is the site? Sounds like the cl2k dessies  ..Well, It wasnt punishment, but merely an attempt at balance, which as you can see, didnt work out well
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I may be a mere newbie but from reading the manual I was under the impression In my first cruiser I would be able to at least scratch the paintwork on an enemy destroyer. Yet when I decloak to shoot a picket destroyer my ship is eaten alive and I barely touch his armour. What is going on? :S |
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Im geussing it was an Escort/picket destroyer..They have an armor imbalance, which causes them to be over powered on their armor, and they can mount particle cannons, which isnt what they where ment to be ( another great attempt at balance eh?)
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Can I also ask why so many Grand Admirals and Admirals hang around in destroyers and not stations or dreads? Somtimes i'm finding it harder to hit them than dreads too. (these are mainly the same people who taunt me for using a transport with bio bombs) |
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Im betting all of these where on ICC right? Thats because they say that their ships suck, and must use the imbalanced ships to win..It's the new ICC trait, abuse the system to beat the game.
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It's updated every one to two months, but Faustus has been very busy latley, moving and all..We dont know what goes on at meetings, due to them being private
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I'd like to play and bring a good number of friends with me to the game but I'd really like to hear the answers to these things first. I got told earlier not to bother subscribing as there's no point atm by an Admiral in K'luth. Some of what I've seen today seems to suggest this also. |
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Bring your friends m8, always nice for new people..And, subscribing is the best you can do..The funding gets put back into Darkspace, to hopefully make it better
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Cataclysm
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Joined: November 26, 2005
Posts: 45
| Posted: 2005-12-10 16:17
Thanks for taking the time to answer my post butI just find it shocking how bad some of this stuff is, I found FS attempting to retake our system AGAIN after we just got it back.
Lone bomber in a heavy transport using Mirvs, i attack work his shield down. What's the responce "later k'luth scum" *fly into planet*
Now I have experiences this a lot from ICC. I can't get a kill or damage points because they just Self destruct or fly into planets before I can hit their hull. They do this while Mirving our planets when no one is online and flying in bugged ships. They do this while taunting me for having to bomb + cap planets for prestige.
How is this fair?
IMO fix the bugged ships, reduce the number of Mirvs a ship can carry dramatically, remove dreadnaught bombers and drastically improve the k'luth.
I may be just a newbie but this is from what I have experienced so far, it's becoming more of a chore than a game tbh already lol
In answer to the other point yes it was a picket destroyer which I was unable to scratch the paintwork on in my cruiser yet he dessimated me. An UGTO dread opened a wormhole and came into sirus with picket destoyer and attempted to retake the system again. From this experience I have seen K'luth dreads are useless and unable to stop dreads from other factions, the same goes for our stations and hell all of our ships against anything above a destroyer.
Is there any chance of a staff answer : I know im a newb but I do have these concerns and I know many people have been voicing them for a long time and i'm unlikely to be the one to be noticed But heh worth a shot
PS: Any chance that K'luth and Ugto would ever ally against FS/ICC xD
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| Posted: 2005-12-10 16:34
It is not to my knowledge that UGTO find it a common practice to nuke all systems of a faction - that sound more of an ICC-ish thing to do. =)
But you ask about rebuilding, and you ask about this and realize that hey, I said the same exact thing on UGTO. In truth, there is really no point to rebuilding anything because by doing so it just fattens up the prestige of the next bombing wave - whoever that may be.
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Quite funilly members of FS keep taunting me for "always being in a bomber". I don't like this part of the community especially since it is obvious there is nothing for K'luth to do atm but recap planets and try in vein to build them sufficiently that we don't get wiped out every single day of the week.
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Its sad to think the FS has gone back to their wayward ways.
But im not too suprised either.
Now, for them to call you down on Bombing is a shear and intangiable hypocrisy as they are neigh almost always in some way, leveling systems.
Also noting your screenshot, that generally as such most of the time nukeing/capping/ and often not rebuilding on occasion.
I found that when I was also on Kluth a few months back this same thing happened - and found ICC, and FS in particular camping the systems, shooting down transports and engys constantly - generally, it seems to be still practice for them.
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They were intended to be reduced to how they were meant to be (hit and run) but due to some flaws they got worst off this time - which hopefully wasn't intentionally.
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I may be a mere newbie but from reading the manual I was under the impression In my first cruiser I would be able to at least scratch the paintwork on an enemy destroyer. Yet when I decloak to shoot a picket destroyer my ship is eaten alive and I barely touch his armour. What is going on? :S
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Pickets/Eds are imbalanced ships - ships with capabilitys that were not intended by design.
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Can I also ask why so many Grand Admirals and Admirals hang around in destroyers and not stations or dreads? Somtimes i'm finding it harder to hit them than dreads too. (these are mainly the same people who taunt me for using a transport with bio bombs)
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Using this to further expand on above....
So many of these GAs, FAs have indeed, gotten to their rank by the massive overuse of bombs - from this version and last. Finding in this version yet another flaw to exploit (destroyers) thats all they use, due to them being vastly superior to larger ships.
In other words - don't listen to them. If they have any respectability, they woulden't jive you so much on such small things.
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Oh and how often is this game updated by the developers. I know it's an old game but it still has a good player base and a lot of potential. It has a daily server restart and there are obviously developers around somwhere as I saw a message today and there seems to be staff meetings. What goes on at these meetings and when are imbalances etc to be ironed out?
I'd like to play and bring a good number of friends with me to the game but I'd really like to hear the answers to these things first. I got told earlier not to bother subscribing as there's no point atm by an Admiral in K'luth. Some of what I've seen today seems to suggest this also.
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Dev updates are constantly worked on - however by the fact that one man (yes one) does all the coding himself, it does take some time.
However, if you do bring friends, take care to note that they must have the patience and the endurance to take such people you described above - and all the flaws in the game design in stride.
There are better players in the community - and indeed, need not worry about the rest. =)
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Joined: February 11, 2005
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| Posted: 2005-12-10 16:43
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On 2005-12-10 15:41, Cataclysm wrote:
Quite funilly members of FS keep taunting me for "always being in a bomber". I don't like this part of the community especially since it is obvious there is nothing for K'luth to do atm but recap planets and try in vein to build them sufficiently that we don't get wiped out every single day of the week.
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Yes I as you descripe have Msg you that all you do is bomb... Iv only see u n combat 2 times and here is the proof of it
Username Cataclysm
User ID 123222
Registration Date November 26, 2005
Last Login December 10, 2005
Rank 2nd Rear Admiral
Prestige 3057.59
Games Played 53
Time Played 136463248
Kills 1
Killed 50
Bonus Prestige 0
Ships Damaged 34.050747
Ships Captured 0
Planets Damaged 1642.160034
Planets Captured 268.206207
Friendly Fire 1.3926
Repair 5.429998
Construction 434.2995
Kamikaze 0.0402
Self Destructs 1
Jumps 1022
Planet Collisions 7
Credits 6126434
Scout 0
Resources Lost 111370.5
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
So yes all you really do do is bomb and you did 434 building is a half deacent number of planrts built.
5 repair
34 ships damaged hummm
1642 planets damages
That mans all u really do is bomb
And second to all when i msg you it was ot to be rude to u but also you had ur dictor out and i just wanted tokill you in a combat ship for once and then thats when you ran
Id quote some more stuff that has been resopnded about but me as an FS player have been trying my best to keep an happy medume in the game but the small few ppl that dont actully play will continue this post in the wrong direction....
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| Posted: 2005-12-10 16:46
I wish I could be as optimistic as you.
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Cataclysm
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Joined: November 26, 2005
Posts: 45
| Posted: 2005-12-10 17:02
Yes I have been bombing a lot but it's with bio bombs and to recap planets that ICC have demolished and taken from us mainly. I decided after trying combat a few times as k'luth when I only had frigates that It was futile and I was hitting nothing so I decided to wait until I had cruisers.
Now that I have my dictor I have been trying to get ship damage with it and kills. I've got all that ship damage in the past few days but there's a problem - I only get it for hull damage.
Every time I get someone to the stage where Im getting prestige they either
(a) fly into a planet - see picture
(b) Self destruct
(c) A friendly dread kills them in 1 hit
(d) an enemy dread jumps in to eat me (like when I was chasing sheng in his ED, got his shield down and 75% armour with him running away when you jumped in)
I am trying to get combat experience but it's hard If you ask fluffy bunny I just tried to take him on in his carrier because I was the only K'luth online and we were losing some of our last planets xD ... He was kind enough to realize this and spare me.
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Joined: April 02, 2005
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From: Largs,Scotland
| Posted: 2005-12-10 17:38
it doesnt matter if he mostly bombs
even if he didnt have to constantly have to reclaim the planets, he might prefer being a bomber, which is his choice.
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Joined: March 16, 2003
Posts: 1336
| Posted: 2005-12-10 17:41
Oh ants ants ants...lets look at your profile..shall we?
Username Fatal Ants *XO 1*
User ID 110956
Registration Date February 11, 2005
Last Login December 10, 2005
EMail anthonyross123@yahoo.com
Location Canada
Fleet FS
Rank Fleet Admiral
Prestige 48071.5
Status Playing on 'metaverse.darkspace.net'...
Games Played 1138
Time Played 3882765
Kills 1040
Killed 1191
Bonus Prestige 448
Ships Damaged 15576.969727
Ships Captured 26
Planets Damaged 33639.46875
Planets Captured 1990.948853
Friendly Fire 1412.873535
Repair 5049.357422
Construction 3713.105225
Kamikaze 2.1796
Self Destructs 65.5
Jumps 16583
Planet Collisions 566
Credits 209324000
Scout 680
Resources Lost 11263542
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
Sure, you have some kills and all, good for you right? But your Construction is ALOT lower than what it should shouldnt it?
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Joined: December 01, 2003
Posts: 602
From: NJ, USA
| Posted: 2005-12-10 17:43
Now what's this?
Games Played 1138
Time Played 3882765
Kills 1040
Killed 1191
Bonus Prestige 448
Ships Damaged 15576.969727
Ships Captured 26
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Planets Damaged 33639.46875
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Planets Captured 1993.748901
Friendly Fire 1412.873535
Repair 5049.357422
Construction 3713.105225
Kamikaze 2.1796
Self Destructs 65.5
Jumps 16584
Planet Collisions 566
Credits 209324000
Scout 680
Resources Lost 11263542
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
It should be noted that Cataclysm stated that he -needed- to bomb; retaking K'luth systems recently taken by ICC or UGTO
Edit: As of 1845 10 12 2005, K'luth has 2 systems.
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Posts: 1336
| Posted: 2005-12-10 17:43
And now some FS Leaders..
Username Fatal Command *CO*
User ID 62286
Registration Date November 27, 2002
Last Login December 10, 2005
EMail plungedjet_01@hotmail.com
Location over here noticing some ppl are like canoes.....they need to be paddled.
Fleet FS
Rank Grand Admiral
Prestige 122178
Status Playing on 'metaverse.darkspace.net'...
Games Played 7112
Time Played 9925658
Kills 1123
Killed 1715
Bonus Prestige 13643.794922
Ships Damaged 24145.785156
Ships Captured 26
Planets Damaged 38167.035156
Planets Captured 2368.72876
Friendly Fire 4392.908691
Repair 14898.842773
Construction 25735.173828
Kamikaze 610.696655
Self Destructs 331
Jumps 30839
Planet Collisions 581
Credits 56670512
Scout 405.121277
Resources Lost 13351725
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
Username Fatal Bash*TO*
User ID 110594
Registration Date February 04, 2005
Last Login December 10, 2005
Fleet FS
Rank Admiral
Prestige 23357.6
Games Played 791
Time Played 3173385
Kills 418
Killed 667
Bonus Prestige 128
Ships Damaged 7622.11084
Ships Captured 10
Planets Damaged 22428.841797
Planets Captured 1233.574463
Friendly Fire 369.942261
Repair 2968.391602
Construction 4785.152344
Kamikaze 0
Self Destructs 24.5
Jumps 14277
Planet Collisions 263
Credits 11334782
Scout 236
Resources Lost 8127093.5
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
So tell me, what right does FS have to judge others for bombing? When you, yourself, are the worste abusers of it?
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Joined: August 04, 2005
Posts: 1107
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2005-12-10 19:46
Couple quick points:
1. Yes kluth get bombed by ICC a lot and when we go to tak the planets back you scrap important items before we cap OR and this one really makes me wonder you disband all the inf and scrap key buildings if we are nueting.
2. Players get close to nothing for fighting icc ships and it's very annoying to see them self destruct everytime you start to scratch there hulls in there dessies.
3. Kluth dreads are not worthless they are a a challenge and I enjoy flying them quite a bit. Keep practicing and find out what works and what doesn't. If you catch me or anyone on Kluth side in MV just start shooting out question more than happy to help.
4.This whole patch is bombing. Its bomb or be bombed. I bet you could bring out anybodys profile and it will show massive planet damage cause its so easy and your stuck retaking planets all the time.Granted some bomb for the meer sake of bombing but there are some that have a reason to do it. As of lately bombing really hasnt been that bad for the kluth but sounds like it statting again. Thanks to the UGTO for comming to our aid against bombers.
5. Besides a few on ICC with is basically FS I really dont enjoy playing the game with you. The ones I like know it cause I talk to them. Guess we will wait for the patch to drop. Till then dont quite just adjust.
Regaurdless we play and adapt to how others play. Gotta love this game.
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Joined: February 11, 2005
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From: Canada
| Posted: 2005-12-10 19:58
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Oh ants ants ants...lets look at your profile..shall we?
Username Fatal Ants *XO 1*
User ID 110956
Registration Date February 11, 2005
Last Login December 10, 2005
EMail anthonyross123@yahoo.com
Location Canada
Fleet FS
Rank Fleet Admiral
Prestige 48071.5
Status Playing on 'metaverse.darkspace.net'...
Games Played 1138
Time Played 3882765
Kills 1040
Killed 1191
Bonus Prestige 448
Ships Damaged 15576.969727
Ships Captured 26
Planets Damaged 33639.46875
Planets Captured 1990.948853
Friendly Fire 1412.873535
Repair 5049.357422
Construction 3713.105225
Kamikaze 2.1796
Self Destructs 65.5
Jumps 16583
Planet Collisions 566
Credits 209324000
Scout 680
Resources Lost 11263542
Missions Completed 0
Missions Failed 0
Influence 0
Command 0
Sure, you have some kills and all, good for you right? But your Construction is ALOT lower than what it should shouldnt it?
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ok and look at my rank and my start date and also i had 27k boming befor this patch so how dose that mean anything?
Andy your right my construction should be more but i dont sit then and bulid planet by planet... i throw down the bulding needed and go to the next or finish modding... but trust me i Build alot when needed
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Posts: 315
From: Canada
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and now Crim
Username Crim {Retired}
User ID 74050
Registration Date March 16, 2003
Last Login December 10, 2005
Occupation Akhenaton Lead Designer
Fleet -GTN-
Rank Vice Admiral
Prestige 19972.2
Status Chatting in 'DarkSpace English'
Games Played 1116
Time Played 2476906
Kills 279
Killed 1169
Bonus Prestige 127.198967
Ships Damaged 6170.769043
Ships Captured 14
Planets Damaged 23359.691406
Planets Captured 982.221741
Friendly Fire 518.897461
Repair 1659.00415
Construction 1694.507568
Kamikaze 25.842443
Self Destructs 70.5
Jumps 7978
Planet Collisions 491
Credits 30488386
Scout 38
Resources Lost 6240484
Missions Completed 0
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Wait a min thats more then ur Prestige
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