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Captain Sternn
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|  Posted: 2005-08-21 13:13
Honestly I agree that bomb damage needs to be nerfed.
@ent it's every faction doing it, I know of UGTO that are almost exclusively leveling planets.
But I think there is a reason behind the type of prestige whoring we've seen of late, it's because it seems no matter how good you do you just can't seem to make much if any prestige.
Yesterday I killed 2 stations a couple of dreads and several smaller ships..and i still managed to loose prestige, some can be blamed on my own stupidity...but the far greater amount of prestige loss was due to circumstances beyond my control (we all know what it is so no need to mention it here, it is not my intention to hijack this thread).
People are using whatever they can to gain some prestige to show for there time spent here...and along the way some of the honor of the playerbase has been lost.
Example: I was in enemy territory when my jumpdrive was bugged it was green but i couldn't jump, there was no dictor,so I was going to log when a Battle dread jumped to me and started attacking me and when I informed the Battle dread that my Jump was bugged he did stop attacking, until the others showed up at which time he started attacking again, probably because he thought "well he's gonna die anyway i might as well get some prestige too" I informed via yell that i was bugged with no respite... in a normal situation i could have jumped away instead i was forced to watch my hull go down to zero.
Now in all fairness the enemy was under no obligation to cease attack, but I remember a time when if you informed an enemy you were bugged they would do the honorable thing and let you be.Those days seem to be lost with the scarceness of prestige these days.It's not an isolated incident either, it actually happened to me twice vs. another player, faction.
I liked the idea that was posted in the forum (can't remember who's idea it was), that unless your faction controls a system the jumpgates to ajoining systems be locked to you...this would cut down, but not eliminate the bombing behind the front lines as there are still wormholes to use.
I believe that prestige loss for dying should go down significantly but not be elimated entirely (to eliminate it entirely would rear the ugly spectre of slam bombing again).
As for appropriate numbers, I wouldnt have a clue as to where to start on that...but i would think that in combat anyway if you do more hull point damage than the hull value of your ship (say 1.5- 2x?) you should gain prestige.
Hopefully then people wouldn't feel it nessicary to resort to less than honorable tactics to gain prestige.
I admit that I too have been guilty of bombing planets into oblivion, (an admission that I hope won't negate what I have said in this thread, at least I admit my guilt) in order to see a gain in prestige (which actually given all my efforts still hasn't come to pass).It's something that I for one will not do any longer just to gain prestige.If the situation warrants it and a planet needs to be eliminated in a contested system I will atempt to level it, but as for looking for a undefended system to level... no more.
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Valerius{DK}
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From: Island of Zealand
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:15
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Oh I know there are players that are this way - unfortunately since the comming of the BD and the Torp MD, ICC seems to have gotten all those fateful players in which exemplify dishonorable.
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Ok, so now it isnt the ICC as a whole thats bothering you? Now its simply a few guys having the time of their lives? (DS wise)
Ent, i respected you before you started going on a full-blown ICC bashing trip.... that was then....
The reason the UGTO are loosing is simple... Lark even said it in a different post... they are the underdogs, and ofc everyone of these "indiscreminate souls" are going to go after the easy target which IS the UGTO (and ICC happens to have the best weapons ATM for that to happen)
Its not JUST the ICC attacking, its the Kluth as well. ICC doesnt just bomb UGTO (well, we do it more) we also go on daily trips into Kluth space (Procyon falls daily and is later recapped)
Ohh, btw... not all ICC bomber groups are fully equipped with the latest version of bomber dreads. These were sadly lost in a fatal attack by the $BUM$ so now we must contend with flying destroyers as well (they are sooooo much more fun)
Far from every MD you see out there is Torp fitted... you need new spectacles if you see torp MDs everywhere (or maybe a Psychiatric evaluation)
Now... stop spamming the Forums with this nonsence of UGTO being hammered, ICC got hammered PLENTY of times in the past and managed to NOT whine THIS much about it. To quote a friend of mine who now sees me as an EX-friend, GROW UP
Val
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Mad Bum
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Joined: March 06, 2004
Posts: 171
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:19
LOL and mentioning the oh so honorable (in your dreams) ugto and the we dont do that
nim just leveled sag hotha in a station about 4000 out with 1 set of bomber fighters all alone, then did he capp? no he flattened taf with another set of fighter bombers.
never came within planet range to even scratch his nail varnish.
to fix this mass bombing
all bomber fighters and all bombs should have a max range of 1000 gu then at least you get an enemy detected at such and such planet and those people defending have a chance to kick the bombers where the sun doesnt shine.
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Sixkiller
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Joined: May 11, 2005
Posts: 1786
From: Netherlands
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:42
About ICC:
There are some ships from ICC bugged, the missile dread with torpedos, escort destroyer and bomber dreadnought.
Ugto has picket dessys that are way to strong. (I use them, i know)
I dont play Kluth but i think when the bombing is normally changed and that devices cant be run while cloacked, they will be perfectly fine or perhaps even a little underpowered.
About the agincourts.
The one thing wich took YOU down was that you said that you needed several!
Its ok when multiple ships are needed to take a planet out, not to mention that stacking fighters is pretty hard (for me atleast)
If 2 Bomber Dreadnoughts can take out a planet and 1 can not, i wont complain. 1 Agincourt cant take out a shielded planet. Ive seen people try it, its not possible.
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Koda
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Posts: 1384
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:47
@Six, I think that it depends on how many Sheild Gens the planet has, how long you can sit there, and how close you are. Not to mention how much ECM you are employing to cover your bombs/fighters.
-Charz
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Captain Sternn
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Posts: 225
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:52
Yes the thing about fighter stack bombing is...there is no risk at all to the ships doing it run enough ecm your virtually invisible nobody knows about the attack until its over.IMO its worse than the bomber dread cause at least the bomber dread pilot has a chance to die get intercepted or whatever...no chance of that with fighter stacking.
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BackSlash
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Joined: March 23, 2003
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:54
Actualy, fighter bombing takes longer to do than just doing a run. Its also a lot harder to co-ordinate.
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
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From: South Philly
| Posted: 2005-08-21 13:58
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| Example: I was in enemy territory when my jumpdrive was bugged it was green but i couldn't jump, there was no dictor,so I was going to log when a Battle dread jumped to me and started attacking me and when I informed the Battle dread that my Jump was bugged he did stop attacking, until the others showed up at which time he started attacking again, probably because he thought "well he's gonna die anyway i might as well get some prestige too" I informed via yell that i was bugged with no respite... in a normal situation i could have jumped away instead i was forced to watch my hull go down to zero. |
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I just think it bears mentioning that you were deep in Uggy territory in a bomber dread... just some food for thought here.
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Captain Sternn
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:05
@Coeus yes I was in a bomber dread but i'd hardly call 1 system from the front "DEEP" behind enemy lines.also i fail to see how being in a bomber dread is basis for that kind of behaviour.
@backslash it may take longer it may take more "skill" for one player anyway the rest only have to know how to press f and n...the facts are:
1) no defense against it
2) no risk to those involved
[ This Message was edited by: Commander Kang on 2005-08-21 14:12 ]
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:11
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please re-read the original post in this thread then.
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Crim
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Joined: March 16, 2003
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:11
*cracking of nuckles*
Ive heard some good points, and some not so nice GTN Bashing,Char. Yes, We DID nuke mod planets, only because the thirteen odd SYs we had suddenly went to four, and our mod planets suddenly where wiped clean, AND revolted. Over the past five days, I have only seen three UGTO bombers go to an enemy system, me, nim, and Kan. But, each time we all built the planets we capped. I have seen over ten ICC bombers in UGTO systems, and at one time. What where those ICC bombers fly? Bomber dreads.
Now, the bomber dread is my dream of a perfect bomber. We all have hopes for power, but its just to much. Along the past five days, ive seen over ten planets revolted in .00001 seconds after being attacked..And, for me, the ALERT thing, is broken..So, I have no time to react to this, seeing how I didnt know.
For K'luth, you rotten fools are being naughty..Leave cincinatti alone  . The brood, I'll say it's the best bomber DS has ever seen, yet..Ive taken a look at cincinatti..No planets built, even when UGTO havent attacked for a day...You cant blame us UGTO for nuking your systems, because we are to busy with our own systems. I admit, we have gone to sirius and bombed, in retalliation to certain attacks on our modding planets..
And, of course, my own faction. We do bomb, but we dont bomb like ICC or K"luth. We bomb for the purpose it was ment for, to dominat the Metaverse. The last bombers I have seen, where cruisers, and one Command dread. I can understand the cruisers and command dreads. But, the agincourts are a problem..Its better to get close and personal with the planet, not sit 4k out, and lob fighters.
We all have our problems, but I say UGTO has the least. In all, nerf bombing faust. This one thing I beg of you, take away my once loved sport in DS. Make it hard again.
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Alien Mastermind
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Joined: January 20, 2003
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From: Toronto
| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:36
I don't think there is anything dishonourable about bombing planets... and people that bomb and dont cap, well i just think it's more interesting to cap a planet after i bomb it, if only to get my ammo back. Not too long ago I switched to UGTO to check out their bombers and levelled Sag, and later capped it.
Here's where it gets interesting. RIGHT after my bombing Sag came along a piercer, and trapped me. Then a bunch of BUMS hopped in and went for the kill (hehe good job guys ). See? That is how you defend a system. Sure, planet detection should be a bit more effective... but still, even with nerfed kluth ships, a bit of coordination pays off. I was forced half a galaxy back, and had no more will left to go all the way back to Sirius. Sag would take 20 minutes max to rebuild. Boohoo!!
Did you see kluth whine about it? Nah.
By the way, UGTO have an excellent bomber. Kluth have a max of 3 bomb slots even in their dread. Yet do they whine?
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Captain Sternn
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:37
@coeus I wasnt arguing that bombing didn't need to be nerfed just trying to explain why it is people do the things they do...perhaps it is you should re-read some posts....
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Arcanum {C?}
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 14:57
Enterprise - Before you stake your reputation out for your faction, I would like to point out that Nim and Starfist, just a few seconds prior to my posting this, are going around K'luth space indiscriminately bombing and NOT capturing, which implies it is done for prestige only.
At least when K'luth level a planet, they capture it and build it up eventually. Usually, K'luth also take the whole system, which actually gives it a tactical purpose.
To level a planet and not even bother to capture it speaks of prestige-motivated bombing.
EDIT: And I should add, Nim was only going for Shipyard and Mod planets. Systematically and precisely. He bombed nothing else. Care to explain those actions in the light of your comment to the effect that UGTO is morally superior to other factions?
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GothThug {C?}
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| Posted: 2005-08-21 15:42
Might i also add that im not abusing power, the Combat Dessie only has 2 missle slots however im using them to use Torpedos, the Missle Dread is also the fastest dread aside from the Assault dread and the combat dread naught and can take more hits.. so quit yer bitching and let us have fun. im getting sick of the complaints, let us have fun until 1.484 you are not gonna nerf the ICC i wasnt here to counteract the Kluths nerfing but im here now to counteract the ICC nerf requests and its a bunch of Horse Manuer gawd
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