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Ragglock
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BIOnics Industry Syndicate
Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1955
From: Denmark
|  Posted: 2005-08-13 19:05
lol you say small ships taking out bigger ones as it should be right ?
as i recall all kluth ships below cruzz class have be nerfed to "worthless state " becaus of just that problem.
hehe they cant even cloake and run at more than 7- 8 gu
must be talking about the super icc/ugto destoyers right 
so best bets on what gets nerfed next anyway
kluth
icc
ugto
i bet kluth (something more nerfed) 10:1 and trow in my old mom to...
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Enterprise
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Joined: May 19, 2002
Posts: 2576
From: Hawthorne, Nevada
| Posted: 2005-08-13 19:14
Yep this is getting dirrrrtay.
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On 2005-08-13 18:52, Valerius{DK} wrote:
no, i''ve never been hit be an IC since you so delicately mentioned im nothing but a 'Typical ICC' (im sorry... but i take that in a VERY negative way from you Ent!)
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It wasn't intended to be.
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But that aside, i've been hit by 3 QSTs in my AC.... took me down to 49% hull immediately. That isnt tough?
Its a core weapon with slow recharge and massive energy drainage.... its not a BeeBeegun firing nukes
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If you stood still and got hit by all 3..yeah..thats going to hurt, but you have to be a bit thoughtless to stand still and let yourself get hit by all 3....and I plan on trying to verify that. 
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No i've never faced an MD again refering to the afore mentioned post
And so what if you get close jumped by an MD? In a cruiser you can easily stay behind him... hell, i've been able to stay behind a Siphon in an AD!
Also, once he has jumped it take 2 MINUTES for the JD to have recharged!
Dictor can easily stay out of range, a skilled dictor pilot can even dictor a person with minimum usage of the dictor itself... also, once the pilot yells out 'I got a dictored dude here' everyone in the system immediately jumps there, and what is a single MD worth then?
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A. This is assuming that every person in the MV always flys a cruiser.
B. This has nothing to do with a Siphon vs. AD. This has to do with MD vs. all.
C. Jump times have no relation at all to the amount of firepower it brings to bear.
D. This assumes there are people in every system at all times, always in a combat ship.
Take in the facts that there are many variables. In general a skilled MD pilot can take a beating while dishing out enough firepower to reduce a Kluth Dreadnought to hull on the second strike.
There are even reports of lone MDs taking out Battle Stations in less than 30 seconds. Even without support, since when should this be?
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You say the triangle formation is the worst to use against the MD? Staying together means everyone receives splash = takes less time to kill... Its an ICC ship, it can simply redirect the energy from the other shield arches to the rear and you will still not be able to dent it....
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The triangle allows the MD to easily target 2/3 ships quickly to do damage. It is impossibile to tank an MD.
All fire focused on one arc can reduce all the shield power before it can be +'ed. Also remember that an MD can just rotate on the spot, and as most ships have most of their power allowcated to fore, they can't just broadside their back as they turn.
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In a triangle you spread the fire, yes... but that also means he will have to use a lot more time turning instead of just sitting at some predesignated spot and waiting on you getting in....
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By the time you get your 2nd Alpha off, he has already one of your m8 smoking hull. This either means that one can die or jump, and most choose jump.
This reduces you to 2 people, getting your 4th alpha off, and you may be at his armor by now, and that 2nd one is probably smoking too.
So this is one on one, and by another 2 alphas (yes MDs can retain energy at standstill) your out too.
MD : 3. The 3 Ships : 0.
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Ok... so now you are talking a bout multiple small vessels against one larger one? Before you were only talking about one (i was atleast). Get your act together dude, several small vessels should be able to destroy an enemy larger ship... sometimes even with ease... simply due to the extra ammount of firepower and mobility (2 Cruisers are always better then 1 Dread). 2 Dests against a dread can win? Ofc, but still takes time and unless there was a dictor then you can just warp out (ohh i forgot... it was only one ship there, so there really cant be a dictor... right?)
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I think this is the 3rd or the fourth time I have had to repeat it.
I have said, again, that multiple small ships SHOULD be able to take on a dread.
For the last and final time I hope, one small ship should not be able to. AND THEY CAN. If you do not believe me, mod out a Escort Dessie to the max, and go hunting for Dreads, and with some skill, you will not die.
This is the thing I keep trying to say, so Ill make it big so this time It absolutely cannot be missed
Is it reinforced in the thick skull yet? One ship no. Many ships, yes.
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Yes... i lost a bomber to a dread, and no i couldnt warp out because i was inside the dictor field of the planet i was bombing, if i wasnt i would ofc have warped off....
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And thus, pilot error reigns all...
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The point was, a BD isnt impossible to stop and also the BD isnt the problem, the problem is still the MIRVS that are used simply do way to much splash over way too large an area.....
So stop bashing the bomber dread simply because the UGTO doesnt have a dread with 9 bomb slots.... THEY NEVER HAD ONE IN THE FIRST PLACE
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I dont care that the UGTO doesnt have a Dread like the BD. I don't care that only ICC has it. I care that it can so very easily, take out an entire planet.
One. Ship. Should. Not. Be. Able. To. Solo. Bomb. In. Any. Way. Shape. Or. Form.
Period.
In fact, this patch was supposed to get rid of solo bombing once and for all and it backfired.
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Also, i didnt imply you had no skill.... i implied you were whining about stuff you couldnt deal with.... you read no skill in that? You yourself implied i was a typical ICC responder with my first post... that isnt low you say? you need glasses
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You said I need better tactics, which implys that I don't know what im doing, which implys I have no skill.
Also, did I ever say I coulden't handle it? I handle it in a way that everyone hates, in my piercer. But I shouldent have to drop everything im doing every single time to drag it halfway across the MV to stop a single Bomber Dread, when its just going to pop again somewhere else.
I should not have to see two Kluth stations go down in less than 30 seconds from a single MD.
I should not have to see one full MD alpha take down a Kluth cruiser.
I should not have to continuously rebuild even the most heavily defended planets because a BD decided to bomb the whole system while everyone is asleep.
This is about imbalences that are not directly to be meant in game. Whoever sais that a MD with 20 Torps is meant to be in game, needs to check their brains. Whoever said one ship was meant to take down entire systems, needs to have it checked also.
Whoever slightly thinks one. one ship should be capable of QUICKLY taking down a larger one, on its own, needs to have a check.
If one destroyer can, on its own, with no support whatsoever, have the power to destroy a Dreadnought, again, on its own, with no support...
Why do we even have Dreadnoughts?
Another one to add to the list...
- Give all Destroyers uber powerful weapons.
- Remove all Dreadnoughts from the game; they have smaller ships to do a better job for them
-Ent
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Drafell
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Mythica
Joined: May 30, 2003
Posts: 2449
From: United Kingdom
| Posted: 2005-08-13 19:32
Locked..
This thread is going no where and no longer serving a constructive purpose and the obvious ABUSE of
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[ This Message was edited by: Mr Black on 2005-08-13 19:37 ]
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