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Maskerade
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Joined: March 21, 2002
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From: Canada
|  Posted: 2005-06-27 00:06
Maybe lone, but those 2 inf are green infantry which don't live too long even versus one 10% hvy inf defending. Not to mention that it is a 30sec minimum jump to the nearest planet and having to delete and get a new ship at the gate.
When I was bombing I would drop the infantry defending, however the barracks would spawn the waiting infantry and by the time I returned with fresh bombs the wounded were at 100% and another infantry wave would spawn by the time I started another run. Assuming there was no defence.
One defender can easily hold off one stock ship, it doesn't matter what faction you are. If you are limited to stock ships, noone is willing to pad the stats of those defending. Coupled with the fact that most have their ship storage full of modded ships.
I will continue to make runs in the attempt to regain a planet but I won't pad others stats. Not there is much point to it, because as soon as I go to work the next day anything I gained will be lost x10.
So again, no point.
Beta needs testing anyway, so I'll go there. I could care less about the MV with the way things are working now anyway. I will fight with those that want to fight, but I don't give two hoots about those players that idea of fun is only fighting AI.
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Yitram
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Joined: March 04, 2004
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| Posted: 2005-06-27 10:48
As the ICC have only 18 planets left, and that number is rapidly dropping, I request that the MV reset occur at tonights reboot, whether or not they have finished off every ICC planet. Lets get the mv back into a state of relative normalcy.
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Azreal
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Joined: March 14, 2004
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From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2005-06-27 12:21
look. Beta is coming out REAL soon as I understand it. What is needed is ALOT of people to get in and test it. Stress it. Find the buggs. Make the whine posts in beta, before the release.
The MV will be reset anyways after release. I hate to say it, but the MV is of so little relevance at this time. If you are going to insist on playing in the mv, then you will have to deal with the fact that the few ugto who play in the MV right now are probably still going to outnumber the few ICC on. That's just the way it is. Far as I am aware, Kluth players are in there testing hard, thus the lack of pilots in the MV for that faction.
And what we need are UGTO and ICC pilots to test against. Everytime I log into beta Kluth outnumbers the other faction 2 to one. Hard to test what the game will do when some poor uggy gets jumped by 3 or 4 uncloaking, beamheavy Kluths.
Also I want ya'll to realize that as we are testing Kluth out, we are reporting what we think about it. As we have more Kluth in, I am afraid we will be the ones with most of the faction buggs worked out. Other input for the ICC and UGTO need to be tested and reported, so those faction buggs are worked out as well. Sorry, but I am a Kluth specialist, so my flying an EAD and reporting what weapons do and don't do, reactions, etc., will only give flawed data.
Stated plainly, don't let Azreal be a tester for ICC and UGTO, because he sucks at them.
Avoid this by getting into beta, and getting your say.
Untill it's released, I won't be back in MV personally.
Fact is, beta version is WAY more fun, now that a few tweaks have been made to the Kluth.
And that should scare the HELL out of you who aren't Kluth.
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Ramius
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From: Ramius
| Posted: 2005-06-27 12:40
No, what blows is the fact that its usually 2-3 ICC going up against 6-9 UGTO. The percentage chance that one of those on ugto are one of those "flux whores" is much greater compared to an ICC fleet. I do not deny there are fluxxers on all teams.
The matter is more complicated than just "omg, everyone uses flux."
Whatever, the factions are unbalanced in terms of active players anyways; but I just had to chime in to remind everyone of this.
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Yitram
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| Posted: 2005-06-27 12:51
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look. Beta is coming out REAL soon as I understand it. What is needed is ALOT of people to get in and test it. Stress it. Find the buggs. Make the whine posts in beta, before the release.
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With all due respect, I tried to request that ppl test the beta....all i got was the ugto taking over the mv....they will say there was no one in beta when they were doing that...well that means that THEY should have been in beta. People don't care about the beta, which is sad, as it is alot of fun, at least when i'm not at -11.6k pres  . Anyway I'm done ranting (for now).
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Azreal
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From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2005-06-27 13:36
ouch. You got hit with that too, eh? They are working on it, as I understand it. They will be resetting all profiles BETA SIDE.
But again. If the UGTO gets the MV, SO WHAT?? IT WILL BE RESET AFTER THE RELEASE ANYWAYS, and untill the beta gets released, wth is the point in the mv with the issues it has anyways? I know in YOUR case, you're probably screwed by that res bug. But it will get fixed. Then scramble over to Beta. We just had a SWEET battle. Too bad I had to leave 
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Captain_Savage
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| Posted: 2005-06-27 13:54
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let's hear it for the GTN and their elitist attitude.
anyway, on the topic of the planet thing; they lost, unfortunately, if the K'luth were able to retake one of their planets, it would have been done by now. of course, the UGTO would take it in a matter of minutes.
on the topic of the beta thing, unless they stard mounting Ion cannons on a special class of cruiser, there's no bloody way we'll survive.
one per ship may seem like a good idea, until you realize that only one faction can use it, and then every ship in that faction has one, and your faction has nothing that can match it's firepower.
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BackSlash
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Joined: March 23, 2003
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-06-27 18:51
Im with Azreal and Yit here. I scream over clan and friends chat all the time (just ask them) for them to get into beta. The MV is of NO importance right now, hell, the ratio of GTN in the MV and Beta is about 1/4 right now. And damn, beta is fun as hell.
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Pimpalicious Nerd {C?}
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From: Connecticut, USA
| Posted: 2005-06-27 21:58
I have come to make another rant/shpeel over the sillyness and absurdness of the posts in this thread.
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As the ICC have only 18 planets left, and that number is rapidly dropping, I request that the MV reset occur at tonights reboot, whether or not they have finished off every ICC planet. Lets get the mv back into a state of relative normalcy.
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Well, I'm sorry Yit, but this is one of the dumbest suggestions that I have EVER heard. As Azreal said once beta comes out the MV will be reset. There's no point in begging for a bloody reset. It would only encourage more people to stop testing beta and go back into the MV to make sure that their clan has planets; that their faction has planets. It would destroy everything all the Devs and K'luth are requesting.
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Elitist Attitude? I suppose you interpreted my mentioning that as a way of making GTN seem even better than it already is. And what follows is damned from the heart. If I were still K'luth I would still be posting this. That is the perfect way to describe GTN: ELITE. It is the number one fleet in the entire GAME. A very wise and witty man that goes by the name of Enteprise. He said one time over clanchat, "Everybody hates GTN and the members of GTN because they know that GTN does things that are in the best intrest of the UGTO, and they know this, and they can't stand it." So what, you hate us. It isn't going to stop us at all. It will only drive us to do even more. No matter what happens to the UGTO, or any of the other factions, we will not give up at all.
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anyway, on the topic of the planet thing; they lost, unfortunately, if the K'luth were able to retake one of their planets, it would have been done by now. of course, the UGTO would take it in a matter of minutes.
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You are definately right. Its just too bad if the UGTO is the strongest faction. Just quit bitching and deal with it. Beta is just around the corner.
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on the topic of the beta thing, unless they stard mounting Ion cannons on a special class of cruiser, there's no bloody way we'll survive.
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Ion cannons do an incredible amount of damage, as do the equivalents of it in the other factions. They aren't meant to be on small ships. You ever try flying a station or even a bloody fracking dreadnaught over on beta; they DRAIN incredible amounts of energy (A tip to you ICC: if you do use the Ion Cannon, and are trying to recharge other weapons as well as the Ion Cannon, you have two choices of what to do to keep energy; you can either: remove the Ion Cannon entirely; or you can deactivate your shields. The former seems smarter because there isn't all that much armour on a dreadnaught, and it can really get dug through by lasers quite easily). And quite frankly, anything below a Dreadnaught doesn't fracking have a large enough power plant to continue to attack a ship or defend your ship. Thats why the Ion Cannon has only been put on Dreadnaught Class and above.
...damn writing that felt good.
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[ This Message was edited by: Pimpalicious Nerd [FLUX PRIDE] on 2005-06-27 22:39 ]
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Ramius
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From: Ramius
| Posted: 2005-06-28 01:37
I think he meant self-righteous. GTN has always sorta, kinda had a self-righteous attitude. I don't think anyone can deny it.
I'm not talking about the players themselves, but the fleet as a whole.
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LordShard
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Posts: 140
| Posted: 2005-06-28 01:57
I'm telling you, you need modifiers. No one would listen to me when I asked about it before.
Games like planetside which rely on VERY HEAVY number of players per map (sometimes more than 450 people on a map, doing anything from bombing, tanking, base defense, artillary, ect) people sometimes crowd to the side that is winning, they helped prevent this by giving modifiers.
Like I said before youwould need a maximum cap, that can't be going over no matter what. The maximum bonus could be anywhere that seems about right.
You would also need to post how many people are on each side when you enter, and what the current bonuses are, if Ugto has 20 people on and the rest split between ICC and kluth certainly a 2% hull+armor+weapon damage bonus would help, although it wouldn't affect the outcome of a long battle as 2% shoudln't make much of a differnce, but enough of a differnce that it helps stiffle such overcrowding of a side?
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LordShard
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| Posted: 2005-06-28 02:01
Oh yeah, last time I played planetside was maxxed XP bonuses (decided upon by an algorithim, I don't think there is a cap for that) and a HP bonus of around 2%, which with 100HP doesn't add much, but helps makes a 200vs50 map better to stand (although you'll still die as fast) it would give you an advantage to use with the XP bonus to help rack up more kills. and if a map was sided 200vs50 the outnumbering side would get negative modifiers I think that was capped around 1%.
So the average squishie on every side of 200 has 99 HP and the lesser side 102 HP (depending on the patch, blacklash probably knows more about this than I remember.  ) This might not make a differnce in a 1vs1 fight but it can be just that much enough to help!
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Fatal Rocko Willis
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From: Kentucky
| Posted: 2005-06-28 11:36
The definitions of Elite and Elitist accourding to the latest Merriam-Webster Dictionary... (on-line version)...
Elite-Pronunciation: A-'lEt, i-, E- : Function: noun
Etymology: French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere
1) a singular or plural in construction : the choice part : CREAM b singular or plural in construction : the best of a class c singular or plural in construction : the socially superior part of society d : a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence e : a member of such an elite -- usually used in plural
Elitist - See Elitism
Elitism - Pronunciation: A-'lE-"ti-z&m, i-, E-
Function: noun
1 : leadership or rule by an elite
2 : the selectivity of the elite; especially : SNOBBERY
3 : consciousness of being or belonging to an elite
So in conclusion class I believe the meaning for the Elitest comment was...
Elite = Cream of the Crop
Elitest = SNOBBISH
Go ahead and flame away at me.. I really don't care... I deal with problems every day in the military that make flame posts (you know who does them) look like the temper tantrums of a 5 year old...
Nuff Said™,
Rocko
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BackSlash
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-06-28 14:51
XP bonus' wont be going in, both Tael and I think Faustus have said this several times (I asked a very long time ago). It can be too easily abused.
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ReZ
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| Posted: 2005-06-28 16:16
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On 2005-06-28 11:36, Rocko Willis wrote:
The definitions of Elite and Elitist accourding to the latest Merriam-Webster Dictionary... (on-line version)...
Elite-Pronunciation: A-'lEt, i-, E- : Function: noun
Etymology: French élite, from Old French eslite, from feminine of eslit, past participle of eslire to choose, from Latin eligere
1) a singular or plural in construction : the choice part : CREAM b singular or plural in construction : the best of a class c singular or plural in construction : the socially superior part of society d : a group of persons who by virtue of position or education exercise much power or influence e : a member of such an elite -- usually used in plural
Elitist - See Elitism
Elitism - Pronunciation: A-'lE-"ti-z&m, i-, E-
Function: noun
1 : leadership or rule by an elite
2 : the selectivity of the elite; especially : SNOBBERY
3 : consciousness of being or belonging to an elite
So in conclusion class I believe the meaning for the Elitest comment was...
Elite = Cream of the Crop
Elitest = SNOBBISH
Go ahead and flame away at me.. I really don't care... I deal with problems every day in the military that make flame posts (you know who does them) look like the temper tantrums of a 5 year old...
Nuff Said™,
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Rock said it best.. it doesnt take a wise man to feel proud that hes in a superpower fleet that pretty much shifted the base of power in the MV. So i suggest the pro elitest gtn's to relook their "essays"
Second.. for those of you who were around for the original GTN, youd know the fleet they have know is a pale shadow of what it once was. Some may disagree with me with this, but many of them had better attitudes instead of gearing up for a response flame, waiting and hitting the refresh button every second for someone to respond.
Now dont get me wrong, i have alot of respect for some of its leaders and members, and you dont see ANY of them here having to state anything. THAT should be the attitude of the "best fleet in the game" (how quickly they forget about ID/PB/BSS etc).
Considering GTN is fortunate to have great leaders, it would be wise to learn from their example.
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