On 2005-06-03 03:29, Castel wrote:
@ Captian Savage,

The problem is its all fun and games till someone looses an eye. Have you seen a little kid make fun of a loved one in a supermarket check out lane bcus they dont look right? its not like monsters dont need food also.. It never comes to the minds of people that stare,( old or young ) maybe that person looks funny because they fought for our country? These people look because of their morbid curriosity, like when people stare at a traffic accidents. People can say they are patriots, god fearing or purple for all i care,( evernotice not alot of rich kids patroling sand dunes? ) the bottom line is in what they do. Ever heard the saying they can talk the talk but not walk the walk?. If your also a poor unfortinate offspring of a military family like I am, do yourself a favor and look into other ways of getting income to go to school. Because this country cant afford anymore uneducated people sending poor people off to fight other poor people, and dont feel like your going to miss this "War on Terriorism", last i looked its been going on for a few Thousand years...

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On 2005-06-03 04:56, Captain_Savage wrote:

i know what a patriot is. patriotism isn't blindly following what your leaders tell you, it's not simply "supporting our troops," no, patriotism runs deeper than that.

a patriot is someone who serves his people, with no expected reward, she is someone who does something, even though it may seem insignificant and highly risky, that benefits her people, her home, her family, and her nation. he goes to fight not to make war, not for glory, but to ensure that those at home will continue to have peace. she tends to the injured regardless of side to uphold the values that she belives in, and most importantly, she does what's best for her nation, even if she's villified for it. if i didn't have any future plans, if i had everything i needed right now, i'd still enlist. because i am a patriot, and although you may see that as a dirty word, to me it carries the highest significance, and the deepest resposibility. too many people throw that word around these days.

i owe the military my life. because without it, i wouldn't exist. to elaborate on this, my parents met in the USAFR, 70th Aireal Port Squadron, Homestead AFB. i don't see myself as unfortunate at all. my father drove supply trucks in Vietnam, and fought terrorists in Rhodesia. my Grandfather pulled security on the Panema canal prior to WW2, my Great Grandfather was a supply officer in the 7th Cavalry under General "Blackjack" Pershing during his campaign in Mexico, and further back in the Civil War, one of my ancestors on my Grandmother's side either led, or was part of, a militia regiment tasked with the defense of Washington D.C., i belive it was either the Cox Guard, or the Cox Dragoons. even before my family immigrated to this country, we were soldiers. there's a castle in Latvia, where one of my ancestors led a garrison of Scottish Mercenaries to fight the Tartars on behalf of the Finns. he died in battle, and his son continued the work, afterwards, the son married into the Finnish royalty(daughter's cousin or something), we fought for william the Conquoror and were awarded land in scottland, and the Ramsey clan is the only scottish clan to maintain it's title and house from start to finish, the castle(Dahlhouse) still stands today, and is a bed and breakfast.

the military is practically in my blood. it's as much a part of me as my faith and my family.

being maimed or kiled isn't a sure thing, it's very likely, but i'm not guarenteed to be killed or hideously wounded. if i do, it's because i did something very stupid like expose myself to enemy fire, or dropped a particularly sensitive explosive.

before i moved up here from Florida, i asked my father what the difference was between a terrorist and a freedom fighter. he said, "who they're fighting, and wether they win or lose."

this isn't a war on terrorism, it's a war againts a bunch of fifth column groups who decided to bite the hand that fed them; that's right. we, America, funded, and supplied alot of these groups when they were fighting the soviets. the enemy of my enemy is my friend and all that. we gave them the stuff they needed to win. and they did.

the mujahadin actually lost the war in Afganistan due to the soviet's air superiority. they had retreated back to their refugee camps when Regan's Stingers finally arrived. after that, Hinds fell out of the sky like poisoned birds, the mujahadin attacked every soviet they saw, and it became commonplace for soviet infantry units to call arty on themselves to prevent their capture and torture at the hands of the fanatical mujahadin.

now, these groups decide we're their new threat, others fought us to begin with, some of which were probably funded by the soviets in the same fashion. whoever they are, they hate us, and will do all they can to hurt us. this is why we project our power; to protect our interests, to ensure that we get the imported luxuries that you can't live without. most importantly, these people fight and die so that you won't have to.

what you're referrint to is actually a deep hatred as a result of the crusades, which was a result of all the european kingdoms uniting against the muslim armies that were invading their lands.

you heard me. the muslims invaded europe. not peacefully, either. anyone who didn't convert to islam was executed, be they man woman or child. killing people who weren't like you was common back then, you see. finally, the vatican could take no more of this, as islam threatend christianity's very existence, and so they told all the kings to unite(more or less) to fight the muslims off. of course, they also decided to fight them off straight back to the middle east, and then some. this was mostly due to some lust for vengeance, i think.

i'm not saying that anyone's justified, mind you. i firmly belive that revenge is pointless. especially when the deed one desires revenge for happened well over nine hundred years before you were born. i'm saying that people don't just go to war on a whim. and most of the time it's not done for resources. it's always between two incompatible groups. when ideas enter into competition, they have to resolve dominance. the only truly bad idea is the one that takes away self determination.

you can go off and be an apologist for all i care. it doesn't matter to me, and it's your life to live. but remember this. when you go to sleep every night, remember. it's my life that's being put in danger, so you can sleep in security.

p.s. i have never once laughed at someone who was maimed, and i have the deepest of respect and admiration for all veterans. because they do what those like you are too afraid to do; defend yourselves.

Im glad you have future plans, and im sorry for trying to show a broader view on how to secure money for it.

hey your the one that made it sound like you were asking for Advice in this thread.. and i did read the whole thing before posting. Im not questioning you, your faith, the military, god, or the heavens.

My only intent was for you to think about for a few seconds of hell, cus there is no time machine. And when that position its not even a matter of if they stare anymore, its the What if's that bother the most.. that and the phrase "let it go",..

kinda makes you feel like asking who's at the Helm?

do you remember the reason the Reds went in there in the first place?
And thats not a very accurate statement, "these people fight and die so that you wont have to." i heard of this place called Vietnam, Seems i was going to get turned into a communist eventually if if fell into Soviet control. hmm thats a thinker.

what im refering to is terrorism in general, very few and far between in written human history has there seen a period without it.

The problem is most of the time it is over reources. Just look at the battles people have over water rights.

Once again you think ive attacked you. I never did, Im sorry that you think that, I was only trying to show you a brief glance at my world. I wanted you to know that life is a long time and can show us many different views good or bad, and knowing the whole picture is what is best in my view. I will refraine from giving you my version of it anymore. to tell you the truth im not sure what an Apologist is in the sense your trying to get at. How are you saving the world? if thats the case I want you to know I save everyone everywhere by doing stuff that I do. sleep on that.

Once again here your defending yourself and attacking me now, did I ever say at anypoint I wasnt in the armed services? by your logic you now need to think of me thats been keeping you safe for the last 16 years.

Im glad that you are one of the few people that dont gawk or say hey look at that. youd be surprized at how one can see life differently after 25 yrs of it reflected in a loved ones rearranged face.

My intent was not to start this quote war with you, I have no lowered opinion of you, if anything you have shown me that you are very versed on your family history and more history than most people one comes across. However I wish you had seen that my intent was to offer another insite to other paths because I was never given such an opportunity. This new age of the internet is an amaizing luxury that I wish i had when i was a kid.

16:00:00 [=CSA=]Duo[21]: "Captain Savage, ill tell you one thing...if you havent gone to a MEPS facility yet for all the medical and physical evalutations, when you do go and pass em, theres a LOT of paperwork in it"

On 2005-06-03 12:12, Ares{Crimson} wrote:
Anyways Savage, Good luck man. My cousin went back there recently, leaving his wife with a baby waiting to be born. I want you to think about it first, Yeah yeah..Family History in it, pride in serving your nation. Its big. Have a good time there, dont get killed. Oh yeah...Navy weapons are cooler >.>..er..that was out of line anyways..Bring me back an artillery shell..I want to see one.