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 Author Dev Meeting Log December 14, 2004
Dem
Cadet

Joined: November 10, 2001
Posts: 107
Posted: 2004-12-14 19:53   
* [STAFFSEND] [Admin]Faustus @1 Sent "dev meeting starting.."
01:07:44 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Sorry, was afk talking to the roommates for a sec."
01:07:43 [Admin]Faustus: "howdy demorian.."
01:07:49 [=NAR=]Antdizzle: "He is getting ready for Christmas."
01:07:52 Drafell Moraxi: "Is it ok if i sit in on this?"
01:07:53 [Admin]Faustus: "no prob.."
01:08:01 [Admin]Faustus: "@draf... fine"
01:08:13 Drafell Moraxi: "providing people turn up:-)"
01:08:15 Drafell Moraxi: "thnx"
01:08:53 [Admin]Faustus: "lol... they will ... they will ... "
* Drafell Moraxi watches Faustus prepare the de-dev tools
01:09:45 [Admin]Dem Zero: "dun dun dun"
01:10:30 [Admin]Faustus: "ok, guess this might be all.."
01:10:37 [Admin]Dem Zero: "just left vinco a voicemail"
01:10:38 [Admin]Faustus: "vinco busy?"
01:10:52 [Admin]Faustus: "ok, I've gotta email gideon back..."
01:10:53 [BIS]Ragglock: "heya all "
01:11:05 [Admin]Faustus: "not right now... just letting ya'll know.."
01:11:21 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Yes you do."
01:11:37 [Admin]Faustus: "well, he wrote me a damn novel.."
01:11:43 [Admin]Faustus: ";)"
01:12:22 [Admin]Dem Zero: "hehe, sounds like Gid"
01:12:38 Drafell Moraxi: "Glad he hasn't lost his touch"
01:13:08 [Admin]Faustus: "@rag... it's ok, just so long as your not distruptive.."
01:13:14 [Admin]Dem Zero: "By the way, we've got a few more posts trickling into the palestar site, but finals are still going for Vinco and I until this friday, Faustus... so I must report no progress on GameCQ documentation since last week, as warned."
01:13:33 [BIS]Ragglock: "where did i drop all the dirty words ohh there they are "
01:13:39 [Admin]Faustus: "demo... understood... I've been busy with lots of stuff myself..."
01:13:45 [Admin]Dem Zero: "I've spoken to Vinco about this a few times in person though, and he is very clearly determined to punch the throttle to the floor after the weekend."
01:13:49 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway, lets get started with my status report.."
01:14:01 [Admin]Faustus: "@demo... good then.."
01:14:16 [Admin]Dem Zero: "All ears."
01:14:47 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway, taelron has been making changes to all the gadget files according to gideons docs... going well so far, I think he understands code pretty well.."
01:15:27 [Admin]Faustus: "myself... I've been doing 2 things... first, I've been making the 1.483 changes to cloaking and armor... we should have an update tonight for beta.."
01:15:35 [Admin]Faustus: "however..."
01:15:53 [Admin]Faustus: "I've been forced to switch over to .NET for development... to do the XBOX port.."
01:16:20 [Admin]Faustus: "thats all fine and dandy until it comes to the BCGCCOntrolBar lib that GCQL uses... which will not compile under .NET"
01:16:43 [Admin]Faustus: "I can compile DarkSpace, Medusa, and everything else under .NET... but not that damn lib "
01:16:49 [Admin]Dem Zero: "I smell lots of recoding..."
01:17:12 [Admin]Faustus: "the reason is it's an MFC extention lib... and MFC has changed.."
01:17:54 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway, may not be any big deal... I should still be able to compile everything with 6.0 ... and continue with the XBOX stuff in .NET.."
01:18:05 [Admin]Faustus: "speaking of which ... good news"
01:18:55 [Admin]Faustus: "I've got 90% of medusa compiling for the XBOX now... I'm down to writing the platform specific parts... which means display, audio, networking, and input systems.."
01:19:17 [Admin]Faustus: "all the rest, rendering, gui, standard, etc... all compiles great.."
01:19:33 [Admin]Faustus: "so, should have a working XBOX version by the end of this month..."
01:19:42 [Admin]Dem Zero: "WOW."
01:19:46 [Admin]Dem Zero: "That is good news."
01:20:09 Drafell Moraxi: "hmm"
01:20:10 Drafell Moraxi: "nice"
01:19:33 [Admin]Faustus: "so, should have a
01:20:44 [Admin]Faustus: "ok.... so what this comes too, is do I rewrite GCQL now ... and remove the BGCGControlBar lib... and those changes that I've been planning for the lobby now.."
01:21:08 [Admin]Faustus: "that is something I'm considering... because then I can use .NET to compile everything.. PC and XBOX.."
* BackSlash {DSUKM} has entered the room...
01:21:25 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Which changes are you referring to?"
01:21:28 Vinco: "Will this change anything on my project, F?"
* [Admin]Faustus waves to BackSlash {DSUKM}...
01:21:41 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco... it should not.."
01:21:51 Vinco: "got it"
01:22:03 [Admin]Faustus: "well... basically, I'm back to the GCQL not being able to compile under .NET.."
01:22:23 [Admin]Faustus: "and I'm trying to decide to if I should move forward now with the lobby changes... and make it work under .NET.."
01:22:52 Vinco: "IMHO... that should wait until after 1.483"
01:22:55 [Admin]Faustus: "I know they have an updated version of the lib... but I don't know if I can get it or not.."
01:23:17 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco... I kinda agree with you.."
01:23:27 [Admin]Dem Zero: "At least Tael's helping."
01:23:43 [Admin]Faustus: "if I could get an updated version of BGControlBar that works under .NET that may make a diff.."
01:24:06 [Admin]Faustus: "because, I would like to move to .NET now... I think it compiles more optimized code.."
01:24:19 [Admin]Faustus: "might make a huge diff in performance.."
01:24:29 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Which would be nice."
01:24:29 RedXIII: "This a private room?"
01:24:39 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Nah Red, just pipe down while F's updating us "
01:25:50 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway.... I'm done with my speil.."
01:25:58 Vinco: "BTW... I have a potential candidate to handle the palestar website renovations while I focus on the documentation. Want more info?"
01:26:00 [Admin]Faustus: "any questions?"
01:26:08 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco... sure"
01:26:38 Vinco: "Arckam. He wrote me a PM offering to do the french translations, and mentioned that he's a web developer."
01:26:39 [Admin]Faustus: "getting a cup of coffee... BRB"
01:26:55 Vinco: "I figured I'd mention it to you and see if you wanted to try recruiting him."
01:28:10 RedXIII: "Out of curiousity, was Gideons 'Grand Plan' scrapped?"
01:28:25 [Admin]Dem Zero: "@RedXIII... No, that's being coded now."
01:28:28 [Admin]Dem Zero: "By both Faustus and Tael."
01:28:41 [Admin]Dem Zero: "And it was the DEV team's grand plan, not just Gid's. Credit where it's due "
01:28:43 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "You said you where working on the cloak and armour for 1.483 or finishing them. Is this the start of the 1.483 gadget changes, or has a lot more gone on. Also what is the over stage of 1.483 (in percentage if possible?)."
01:28:49 RedXIII: "Heh"
01:28:56 RedXIII: "Im only a nub, what do I know?"
01:29:07 [Admin]Dem Zero: "@Backslash... a lot more has gone on. Tael's been coding for a week or two now, slowly but surely."
01:29:24 [Admin]Dem Zero: "And Faustus, as he said earlier, seems impressed with Tael's progress and understanding of the code."
01:29:32 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Anymore indepth info as to what has been done and how close we are to a finished beta 1.483"
01:29:42 [Admin]Faustus: "@back.. I'm finishing them up... just haven't updated beta in about a week now.."
01:29:53 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Cool"
01:29:57 [Admin]Faustus: "I've been splitting my time between XBOX and 1.483... "
01:30:00 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "So a finished beta in.....two weeks :S?"
01:30:17 [Admin]Faustus: "reason being, if 2015 wants to do the XBOX version... that will change the entire show.."
01:30:26 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "I heard....Net"
01:31:03 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Isnt there a way to keep the lobby as it is and have an inbetween, or is it important for everything to be compiled in the same lanuage or whatnot"
01:31:11 RedXIII: "Whos Santa?"
01:31:18 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Tael"
01:31:24 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Trag my bad"
01:31:29 [Admin]Dem Zero: "No, Trag actually"
01:31:53 [Admin]Santa: "It's trag."
01:31:56 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Its just I know a lot of the public would like to know where 1.483 is in terms of completion level."
01:32:11 [Admin]Faustus: "basically, guys... I've been asked by the VP at 2015 to port DS to XBOX as a proof of concept... that means, if I can do it ... the project may get picked up by 2015 and published on the XBOX... I'm trying very hard to keep the development of the PC/XBOX in sync on this... so PC will see all improvements and changes of the XBOX... including the ability for XBOX players to play with PC .."
01:32:16 [Admin]Santa: "sry i'm late, was getting a haircut"
01:32:34 [Admin]Faustus: "@backslash... I would say at this point 20%..."
01:32:58 [Admin]Dem Zero: "That should give you an idea of how many changes are to be made, Jack "
01:32:58 [Admin]Faustus: "@santa... about time you hippy.."
01:33:04 [Admin]vincoed: "Hmmmm... What do you think your chances with 2015 are, Faustus?"
01:33:11 [Admin]Dem Zero: "LOL"
01:33:10 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Cool"
01:33:16 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco... I would say 60/40..."
01:33:32 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "From this point on is it going to be an easy ride, or is this going to be a febuary release est?"
01:33:32 [Admin]Faustus: "reason being... no other game like this one on XBOX..."
01:33:49 [Admin]Faustus: "plus, 2015 could have it ready to be certified by microsoft in 6-months.."
01:33:53 [Admin]vincoed: "interesting. I hope it goes well... Hope there's a keyboard expansion for XBOX "
01:34:00 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "yay found it"
01:34:02 RedXIII: "Wow, Darkspace getting picked up by a company."
01:34:04 [Admin]Faustus: "@back... I think this will def be done in feb.."
01:34:17 Drafell Moraxi: "I was wondering if compiling the gcql for xbox would be effective considering its a chat chleint, which is kinda no good without a keyboard"
01:34:18 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "So its aimed at a febuary release?"
01:34:21 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "this sounds like good news, someone repeat? "
01:34:36 [Admin]Faustus: "@draf... we can't do GCQL for XBOX, we must do XBOXLIVE thats for sure.."
01:34:57 [Admin]Faustus: "PC/XBOX players will be able to play together in-game... but I doubt the lobby will happen for XBOX.."
01:35:10 [Admin]Faustus: "I could be wrong.."
01:35:19 [Admin]vincoed: "What about fleet management, etc..."
01:35:23 RedXIII: "If it does, Only voicechat would be avalible for XBox users."
01:35:28 [Admin]vincoed: "without the web interface, how can that work?"
01:35:36 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Let's hope so... because then we'd have to have moderators in two seperate clients! "
01:35:44 [Admin]Faustus: "probably have fleet management built in-game.."
01:35:52 [Admin]vincoed: "and does that mean that voicechat will be quickly added to the PC version?"
01:36:01 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco.. yeah"
01:36:46 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway... we shall see ... 2015 may be out of buisness in 2 months anyway... who the hell knows.."
01:36:51 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "can someone whisper and repeat what i missed? "
01:36:53 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "hasnt voice always been coded in to the game but not enabled (cant remember)"
01:36:57 Drafell Moraxi: "lol"
01:37:20 [Admin]Dem Zero: "@trenchenko... the log of this meeting will be posted to beta web."
01:37:24 [Admin]Faustus: "my philosophy is to plan, but anticipate the worse... "
01:37:29 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "yay"
01:37:36 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Faustus I know you will want to keep some changes a surprise, but is there anyway you could make a list of changes to be, or changes that have happened?"
01:37:41 [Admin]Santa: "That's a good "ideal" F "
01:37:41 RedXIII: "And always include that escape hatch, Faustus!"
01:37:52 RedXIII: "just make sure the escape hatch is large enough for you to fit through "
01:37:54 [Admin]Faustus: "so ... we just continue on like it won't ever happen... and keep plugging away at 1.483.."
01:38:16 [Admin]Faustus: "but damn, if it did... that would be great news.. "
01:38:34 [Admin]Faustus: "imagine... 4-5 programmers for DS ... WOW! "
01:38:39 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Aye. I concur with Vinco that 1.483 should have the majority of the attention right now, because this community NEEDS a jolt."
01:38:42 [Admin]Dem Zero: "LMAO F"
01:38:50 RedXIII: "WOW! things may actually get done in Two Weeks!(TM)"
01:38:50 Drafell Moraxi: "updated modern graphics!"
01:38:52 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "zoom!"
01:38:53 Drafell Moraxi: "lol"
01:38:54 [Admin]vincoed: "heh"
01:38:57 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "less kluth love, plz"
01:39:00 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "™"
01:39:02 [Admin]Faustus: "LOL.."
01:39:12 [Admin]Dem Zero: "trenchenko... dude, if youre talking about the new cloak"
01:39:13 [Admin]Dem Zero: "just hush"
01:39:17 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "im not"
01:39:23 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Okay. "
01:39:19 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "heh"
01:39:25 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway... moving on.... "
01:39:30 [Admin]vincoed: "Now... as to the matter I mentioned earler regarding someone else to do the web work on the palestar site... Were you interested, F?"
01:39:32 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Faustus any chance of a list of changes?"
01:39:38 [Admin]Faustus: "@santa... how are the elves doing?"
01:39:39 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "i'm tired of kluth having the entire map. =) "
01:39:51 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "0.o?"
01:39:58 [Admin]Faustus: "@vincoed... french guy eh?"
01:40:11 [Admin]Santa: "I'm still trying to get more toys out of them."
01:40:18 [Admin]vincoed: "Belgian... but will do the french translation at least."
* The Elf cowers
01:40:28 [Admin]vincoed: "He said he was a web developer, which is something I'm not"
01:40:28 [Admin]Faustus: "@vinco... try to get a URL of a website he's done first..."
01:40:36 [Admin]vincoed: "will do."
01:40:41 [Admin]Faustus: "and email that to me... do you trust him?"
01:41:28 [Admin]Faustus: "dc?"
01:41:37 [Admin]Faustus: "guess not... just silence.."
01:41:48 The Elf: "yup"
01:41:51 [Admin]vincoed: "Heh... I don't know the user personally. I'll forward the pm to you."
01:41:57 [Admin]Faustus: "01:36:53 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "hasnt voice always been coded in to the game but not enabled (cant remember)" ... yes"
01:42:26 [Admin]Faustus: "yeah, not too crazy about giving someone new access to the PHP code with billing system and passwords, etc.."
01:42:52 [Admin]Faustus: "oh wait, nevermind I seperated all that.."
01:42:54 [Admin]Santa: "Speaking of password.. uhmm.. I forgot mine... "
01:43:00 [Admin]Santa: "I'm just kidding!"
01:43:03 [Admin]Dem Zero: "TRAG, FOR THE LOVE OF"
* [Admin]Faustus slaps [Admin]Santa in the head...
* [Admin]Faustus slaps [Admin]Santa in the head...
* [Admin]Dem Zero mercilessly beats Trag with a wet pool noodle.
01:43:13 [Admin]vincoed: "point. I suggest opening it up to some of the staff... if you trust them. I'm certainly not a web developer, and someone could probably do a much better job with it."
* [Admin]Faustus slaps [Admin]Santa in the head...
01:43:20 [Admin]Faustus: "3 slaps for you trag.."
* RedXIII slaps [Admin]Santa in the head...
01:43:29 [Admin]Faustus: "oh... LOL"
01:43:31 [Admin]vincoed: "I sent the PM to you, F"
01:43:33 [Admin]Santa: "haha"
01:43:33 RedXIII: "No... More than that...."
* RedXIII Gives [Admin]Santa a swat with claws retracted!
01:43:53 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "maybe he likes it"
* [Admin]Santa tattooed his password on his elves.
01:44:09 [Admin]Faustus: "FYI guys... I've had to email trag's passwords to him atleast 4 times now.."
01:44:15 The Elf: "Yeah, that was painful"
01:44:19 RedXIII: "Too Much Information, Tael."
01:44:27 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Santa = Trag"
01:44:32 [Admin]Santa: "What?! It was 3! hehe not 4 "
01:44:32 [Admin]Faustus: "BTW... I've got a new primary HD for my machine and a new CPU to install soon..."
01:44:37 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Trag is a foolio"
01:44:51 [Admin]Faustus: "blake is getting my old HD and CPU in his new computer for x-mas.."
01:44:57 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "i posted random stuf on the forum for feature suggestions, i got laughed at. =("
01:45:05 [Admin]Faustus: "my 4-year old is an expert HALO player now.."
01:45:05 RedXIII: "BTW, im guessing... Trag's password is 1234"
01:45:10 [Admin]Dem Zero: "@Faustus... Jack (BackSlash) also asked about the possibility of a total 1.483 change list... so players can know what to expect. Will that be possible at all, with everything that's being renovated?"
01:45:12 The Elf: "lol"
01:45:29 [Admin]Faustus: "@dem... I'm logging all changes in the dev lop on the beta website.."
01:45:36 [Admin]Faustus: "lop=log"
01:45:38 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "uh oh"
01:45:58 [Admin]Faustus: "he's gotten further in HALO than anyone in this house.."
01:46:01 [Admin]Dem Zero: "There ya go, Backy... that thing's about to get LONG... "
01:46:11 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Faustus"
01:46:13 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Get on CS"
01:46:20 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway... anything anyone needs from me..?"
01:46:23 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Even grounds then "
01:46:31 [Admin]Faustus: "@back.. he plays CS too.."
01:46:31 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "free play time!"
01:46:42 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "oooo"
01:46:45 The Elf: "threncehko. thats because most of the ideas are already in the pipeline to be implemented or changed already"
01:46:45 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "more fodder"
01:46:49 [Admin]Faustus: "in fact, some of you think it's me playing... but it's just him using my computer.."
01:47:02 [Admin]Dem Zero: "lol"
01:47:01 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "yay"
01:47:08 [Admin]Faustus: "anyway... anything anyone needs from me..?"
01:47:14 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "except for the person who said giving money for servers was like donating to jerry's kids"
* [Admin]Santa gives F some Dr. Pepper for xmas
01:47:25 [Admin]Faustus: "no sexual favors... sorry"
01:47:30 RedXIII: "Hey Faustus, can you give me 50000 presteige!"
01:47:30 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "can we get an escort carrier, and uh, stuffed-animal kluths"
01:47:37 [Admin]vincoed: "All I need is a web developer to be my slave..."
01:47:39 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "ahhh"
01:47:42 [Admin]vincoed: "err... colleague"
01:47:48 RedXIII: "I just felt like doing that old joke "
01:47:48 [Admin]Santa: "Yea can I get one of those development xbox's?"
01:47:48 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "That would explain a lot"
01:47:52 [Admin]Faustus: "LOL"
01:47:55 [Admin]Santa: "I'd like to beta test DS on it "
01:47:59 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "The countless steam messages etc..."
01:48:03 BackSlash {DSUKM}: ""HELLO?""
01:48:08 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Alright, I think we're adjourned. Any objections?"
01:48:10 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "ds should be on steam. "
01:48:22 [Admin]Dem Zero: "If there are none, I will post the log of this meeting as soon as I can do some editing."
01:48:22 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "first to adjourn buys the booze"
01:48:24 RedXIII: "@Trench Than Backslash would be an Admin"
01:48:27 [BIS]Ragglock: "<-- likes steam"
01:48:27 [Admin]Faustus: "yep... time to get some work done.."
01:48:38 BackSlash {DSUKM}: ":D"
01:48:40 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "steam looks neat, but whatever it crashes for me, all the time "
01:48:43 [Admin]Faustus: "@rag... gcql is going to become another steam FYI.."
01:48:43 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "I like Trenches idea"
01:48:51 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Alright. Taking the log, posting."
01:48:54 The Elf: "ok thanks for the update Faustus"
01:48:56 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Update was released today at 2 pm. Might fix some problems"
01:49:00 [BIS]Ragglock: "can someone drop some pres and bages on my profile before you leave"
01:49:01 [Admin]Faustus: "night guys..."
01:49:09 [Admin]Dem Zero: "Meeting's officially ended... thanks for the info, Faustus, and thanks everyone for attending."
01:49:08 [=CEC=]trenchenko: "me too "
* [Admin]Santa waves to [Admin]Faustus...
* [=CEC=]trenchenko steals ragglocks prestiege
* The Elf waves to [Admin]Faustus...
01:49:36 [Admin]Santa: "Oh hey F, shall we do a xmas interview?"
01:49:46 [Admin]Santa: "We can bust out DS radio again."
01:49:50 [BIS]Ragglock: "lol not much to steal on this one"
01:49:54 [Admin]Santa: "Might be fun."
01:49:59 BackSlash {DSUKM}: "Thanks a lot Faust"

-Dem


[ This Message was edited by: Dem Zero on 2004-12-14 19:54 ]
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Posted: 2004-12-14 19:56   
Thanks for the info again F.
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Posted: 2004-12-15 00:43   
Since I had to work late tonight, my status update:

Half the new weapons, armor and shields have been coded, yes, new stuff...

1/3rd of the existing armor and weapons have been updated to the new specs...

Hoping to have all new devices coded by Friday and the remaining old devices finished by early next week.

Once the coding is done, I'll get F to recompile the beta so that I can start realigning the ship layouts and creating the new devices in the Resourcer. I am figuring that part will take about a week and a half...

I'm pushing to get the spec coding and resourcer configuration completed before the end of the month.


[ This Message was edited by: Tael on 2004-12-15 00:46 ]
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Thanks for the update Tael ^^
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Posted: 2004-12-16 02:20   
UTGO and ICC weapons are coded.

9 Kluth Weapons left to be coded.

Shields and Armor completed.

Still have to code aux devices, ECM, ECCM, Autorepair, Tractor, etc...
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Posted: 2004-12-16 11:02   
lol all those mods are forcing us to not swear and here is faustus saying damn a couple off times, what a great example he makes

anyways any eta on beta updates?

[ This Message was edited by: Dop-erwt{sick} on 2004-12-16 11:06 ]
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Posted: 2004-12-16 17:23   
damn/hell/ass (non-derogative) are allowed.

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