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Faustus
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From: Austin, Texas
|  Posted: 2004-02-11 20:05
I changed the ship capture code, so that for each units unloaded onto an enemy ship runs a small chance of capping the ship. If the unit fails to capture the ship, then it destroys one ship device.
Base chance for a unit to capture a ship:
Engineer 11%
Supply 11%
Transport 8%
Scout 11%
Frigate 8%
Destroyer 6%
Cruiser 3%
Dread 2%
Station 1%
The unit experience can give up to 10% bonus to the roll...
-Richard
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Tbone
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 20:07
Is the device that is destroyed random? Or does it follow the current "order," as it were (jump drive then STL drives then weapons).
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Faustus
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 20:10
Device destroyed is 100% random...
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Sandals
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From: Redmond,WA,USA
| Posted: 2004-02-11 20:14
Is the capture chance applied if there are defending infantry?
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I think the Scout chance should be higher.. it's not like infantry is ever gonna hit a scout anyways. 
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Faustus
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 20:16
Units cannot attempt to capture the ship or destroy a device until all defending units onboard have been destroyed. Atleast, thats how it should be working, someone please test and make sure this is the case.
-Richard
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Bobamelius
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 21:34
That's the percentage for each inf, right? It adds up correct?
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Sandals
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 22:05
Well, I suffered many problems attempting to test this. I did in fact confirm that ship capture works. I couldn't capture Neo*The*Wicked's frigate when he was cooperating with me, and that was about 10 consecutive veteran infantry- no more than one at the same time. He did confirm that the system damage works. Later, there was a K'luth Shell destroyer that wouldn't talk and just kept shooting my engineer, so I used him as a test subject and was indeed eventually able to capture him. I believe I landed 1 group of 4 vets, after which he moved away a bit (system damage I think), then a single vet, then a group of 4 vets, after which he captured. A message showed up, with my name and his, and his ship sat for a second and then jumped to gate. As normal. However a couple bugs make it very hard to use and test.
A) Infantry pods are seemingly affected by the splash damage of AM torps. Heehh..
B.)If there is a friendly infantry unit on the target, ANY friendly infantry, even just 1, you cannot unload infantry on to the target, manually or via the U key. <--- big headache. Note that if there are no infantry on the target, you can still unload infantry onto it, even if you have infantry in flight.
C.) That old rascally all-but-one-infantry-vanishes-when-a-group-lands-at-the-same-time
Due to the problems caused by the bugs and the lack of a cooperating target i was unable to later test if infantry could capture "through" defending infantr.
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Sopwith Camel
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 22:08
Will friendly infantry on the ship be able to defend against the invaders?
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Sandals
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 22:10
Supposedly, yes, but we still need to test it.
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Shigernafy
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 22:35
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On 2004-02-11 22:08, Sopwith Camel {C?} wrote:
Will friendly infantry on the ship be able to defend against the invaders?
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From Faustus:
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So that would be a yes.
PS - It might help to read the ENTIRE thread before replying, in case your question has already been answered.
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Ash'elth
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| Posted: 2004-02-11 23:15
Just a comment:
A station and a dread both have a ~60% capture chance if you unload 6 elites *neglecting defenders*. Meaning it's actually no more difficult to campture a station than a dread.
Maybe a 50% experience penality or something to the capture %age should be assigned to station?
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Captain Caveman
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| Posted: 2004-02-12 05:11
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On 2004-02-11 23:15, Ash'elth wrote:
Just a comment:
A station and a dread both have a ~60% capture chance if you unload 6 elites *neglecting defenders*. Meaning it's actually no more difficult to campture a station than a dread.
Maybe a 50% experience penality or something to the capture %age should be assigned to station?
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I'm hoping that the percentage chance to capture a ship is not cumulative, i.e. 6 elites will not equal 60%, but is actually something like:
0.9^5 (chance to fail in capturing the ship with your first 5 elites) * 0.1 (chance to capture it with your last elite) +
0.9^4 (4 failures) * 0.1(5th elite succeeds) +
0.9^3 (3 failures) * 0.1 (4th succeeds) +
0.9^2 (2 failures) * 0.1(3rd succeeds) +
0.9(1st fails) * 0.1(2nd succeeds) +
0.1(1st succeeds) = ~0.47 (47% chance of capture)
Even that figure is too high. I think you need to keep the bonus percentage alot lower than 10%, unless you actually mean 10% of the base chance to capture the ship (10% of the dreads 1% would actually equate to 0.1%, for an engie that would be 1.1%). That would seem much more plausible. Say if Vets had a 3% bonus, hardened a 6% bonus and Elites a 10% bonous, then you'd get something like this
Engineer 11% (1 vet = 11.33%, 1 hardened = 11.66%, 1 Elite = 12.1%)
Station 1% (1 vet = 1.03%, 1 hardened = 1.06%, 1 Elite = 1.1%)
Doing it this way would give 6 elites only a 6.5% chance of capping a station (without any defenders), which seems alot more realistic than 60%.
If capping chances are too high, I can just imagine hoards of trannies roaming the mv capping every dread and station with ease, which isn't a pleasant thought.
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NoPants2win
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| Posted: 2004-02-12 06:29
Ash, your math is faulty, in fact, it gives me pain to look at it.
Caveman- In an actual situation, there will be defending infantry to be reckoned with first, and correct me if Im wrong, point defense.
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Faustus
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| Posted: 2004-02-12 07:56
No unit chances do not accumulate... The best chance an "Elite" infantry has of capturing a station is around 11% chance.
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Doran
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| Posted: 2004-02-12 09:37
just had a though after reading the R.S.Pear fiction
inf has a low chance of capping a undamaged ship beacause basically theres no open doors for the inf to just waltz on it, they'd have to find a boarding hatch and cut through that or cut through some other part of the hull.
now lets say you have a ship...how about an AC, that is in or has just jumped out of some heavy combat and is down to 45% hull, well theres bound to bee some holes in the hull that the inf could get through, then they'd just have to cut through interior bulkheads to get to the bridge or wherevever.
add to that, that after a long slugging match the crew would probably be fatigued(sp?) and any inf onboard for defence would probably be engaged in damage control or something.
one-liner: as the hull damage goes up, the chances of inf capturing the ship should go up
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