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Ragglock
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From: Denmark
|  Posted: 2003-12-03 10:21
i think kluth misses an fighter based mid size ship cruz class based on fighters.
like the scale beam based or scarab torp based very spicilized ships
just a scarab with fighters instead of (heavy weapon) torps and 1 spicial for scanner or other utilityes
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Kamikaze Chicken
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| Posted: 2003-12-03 10:23
It was done that way intentionally since Kluth arnt meant to be long ranged, deal with it.
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Gideon
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| Posted: 2003-12-03 10:38
It's not missing.
It's just cloaked.
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Axianda The Royal
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From: Axianda
| Posted: 2003-12-03 10:51
no i think ragg has a point here...
we the humans have our carriers but as far as my LIMITED kluth ship knowledge goes only 3 of theyr ships have Fighters.
So why not give Kluth Frigates * GASP * 1 fighter bay...
it would give the Kluth frigates a bigger role.....
ofcourse i dont know what Gideon is cooking up whit his 1482 but whit the current ship selection this would be nice 
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DOM700 [-IMO-]
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From: Eckental, Germany, Sol-System
| Posted: 2003-12-03 11:45
Alright: ICC: Long range faction: 2 carriers (cruiser and dread)
UGTO: Medium range: 1 carrier (but a real CARRIER!)
Kluth: Short range: a dread with some fighters (manible)
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Ragglock
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From: Denmark
| Posted: 2003-12-03 11:57
well as long as you can mount it missiles in heavy weapon slot the point with kluth not bein able to have a decent long range fighter cruzz is not holding water
remeber all kluth cruz suffers from the no or very limitet pd ability and very spicialized ship configs on the cruzz class ships as would a carrier (larva)cruzz
want kluth to fly something diffrent than destryers give them more options on the cruzz and frigate ships
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Gideon
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From: Oregon, USA
| Posted: 2003-12-03 13:15
Okay, the technical issue:
The problem is the interaction of the cloaking device with a carrier ship or ships. The way things currently work, a group of carrier ships could sit cloaked and completely undetectable and launch fighters from well beyond the range of being able to detect said ships. Detection includes more than just a target box appearing, it also includes simply seeing projectiles and beams originating from a point of space where you could theoretically target manually. This issue cannot be resolved with the current cloak and fighter systems.
As to whether this has been addressed in v1.482, I will not say. I will not say whether the K'Luth have any better or worse fighter carrier capabilities in v1.482, nor will I say whether there have or have not been changes to fighters and/or the cloaking device which would theoretically allow for a K'Luth carrier to not be a disruption to intended game balance.
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| Posted: 2003-12-03 15:21
u got that right - if peeps want to use fighters then select nonkluth, if kluth have the advantages of the others why not give cloak to icc and uggy as it was 2 years ago with unrestricted moddeling.
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DOM700 [-IMO-]
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From: Eckental, Germany, Sol-System
| Posted: 2003-12-03 16:23
unlimited modding? PCM DREADS!!!!!!!!!!
btw, @Gideon: Less fighter capacity? The most they have per ship is 3, give them something like a Heavy Cruiser/Battle cruiser ship with all kind of slots, armor and a fighter
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| Posted: 2003-12-03 19:12
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As to whether this has been addressed in v1.482, I will not say. I will not say whether the K'Luth have any better or worse fighter carrier capabilities in v1.482, nor will I say whether there have or have not been changes to fighters and/or the cloaking device which would theoretically allow for a K'Luth carrier to not be a disruption to intended game balance.
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| Posted: 2003-12-03 20:38
All dreads will have fighters, guys. K'luth get less long range firepower, but loads of beams, torps, and cloak, not to mention the ELF.
If you want long range firepower you're going to have to accept the downsides. It's been outlined again....and again..........and AGAIN.... that the reason the K'luth don't have a Carrier is that they would be able to maul whole fleets without receiving so much as a shot in return...
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From: The Gideon Unit
| Posted: 2003-12-03 22:01
ugto carrier dreads + supply > *
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From: DFW, Tx
| Posted: 2003-12-04 00:32
No, b/c Fighters are going to be limited to how many there are in eache bay, no more mass swarms of fighters, UGTO Carrier dreads will only be able to put out a maximum of 80 fighters. Gid said this a LONG time ago.
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Bobamelius
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From: Ohio
| Posted: 2003-12-04 00:49
Fighters will also cost prestige when you lose them. That said, they will be better, and most of all, tougher. Maybe K'Luth will get more interceptors for PD?
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| Posted: 2003-12-04 01:18
@ Bob, well, EVERY dread will mount some fighters, even the Assault classes. K'luth will have the best interceptors, as well.
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