On 2012-02-26 13:02, Critus wrote:

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On 2012-02-26 12:55, Defiance{CM7} wrote: so.. me and gejah are the only ones that think shields are being over done? Well then go with the masses. Id rather see icc come back than my wants met. Again, thanks frob for working so hard on them. [ This Message was edited by: Defiance{CM7} on 2012-02-26 12:56 ]

I agree the new type of shield is unnecesary it should be a standar buff, increase def 5% regen 7% , but i like the new aux shields def x3 and no power consuption...
To summerize what are the changes in icc?

On 2012-02-26 15:49, Talien wrote:
I've already said I think all the shield changes make it needlessly complex, ICC already has enough to consider when going into battle without also needing to worry about which type of shields to use to counter what type of damage the opponent will be most likely to be using.

On 2012-02-26 15:49, Talien wrote:
I've already said I think all the shield changes make it needlessly complex, ICC already has enough to consider when going into battle without also needing to worry about which type of shields to use to counter what type of damage the opponent will be most likely to be using.

But now there's Actives with high energy use but high HP and no resistances.

Reactive with low energy use but low HP, lower regen, low sig, and now higher resistance to energy but weakness to kinetic.

Aux which have been buffed but are still bad as they only cover one arc.

And the new Skirmish which use the most energy even though they have the same lower HP as Reactive but much higher regen rate, and the opposite resistance/weakness.

Overall it seems like one step forward, 3 steps back to me. Personally I think it'd be better to just leave it with Active and Reactive, with Active having higher HP but lower resistances and regen rate, and Reactive with lower HP but better resistances and regen rate, with Aux just buffing the regen rate or max HP of whatever shields are equipped instead of being a shield type of their own.

Not hating, just giving my honest assessment.

On 2012-02-26 22:21, Talien wrote:
I don't see making shields into the equivalent of UGTO style armor as a boost.

Use actives if you don't want to think. They have flat resists across the board, the best raw health and decent regen.

Before this change, reactives were utter garbage. They had the same energy cost while charging for like 70% of the health .

Changing aux gens from one arc type to full is something that needs to be discussed more before doing so. Most ICC ships have at least two aux gens, so that'd be giving them two full shields

On 2012-02-26 23:23, Talien wrote:

Reactives were a far superior choice on smaller ships, and you could even get away with using them on Cruisers if you did it right.

For Aux you're sacrificing a good chunk of power generation for that extra shielding, it's just not worth it for only one arc. Even full arc may not be worth it because of their low HP and regen, is there an issue with the idea of having aux shields boost HP or regen of actual shields?

And again, I'm not hating, I'm just giving my own assessment of the current beta setup. I DO appreciate that you're wanting to do something new, and who knows, maybe more people will like it than not. Just on a personal level I never want it to be said that someone doesn't understand my position on something, so yeah, it may seem like I go overboard.

On 2012-02-27 02:22, Died~2000~Deaths[+R]*CO* wrote:
my concern is the power issue kluth have been plauged with for a while.


All weapon damage (minus missiles and fighters) have had their damage reduced by 10%. Falloff on cannons has not been reduced by 10%, so as a result, UGTO and K'Luth cannons will not be as effective at long ranges

now weapons have more of a fall off this means more power usage for less damage. we allready have to fight in pacs cause we dont have the energy to stay in battle long and our armour is paper thin and yes i do know how to manage power.

our weapons are not that much stronger than the other factions as some might think and besides what good are stronger weapons if you cant fire them but a few times.

now we are plauged with more power usage when will it end.
not trying to sound unapreciated by all the work you devs have put in the game just real frustrated after testing ugto and icc power usage and seeing that you can pretty much go any speed you choose in combat with hardly any power loss.


Died~2000~Deaths[+R]*CO*

[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo[+R] on 2012-02-27 02:53 ]

On 2012-02-27 02:18, Fattierob wrote:
I have no idea how you believe this. What makes you believe that reactives were ever useful? Like, with numbers.

Aux got a huge buff from "utterly useless" to "actually might be something". I don't know want to boost HP or regen of actual shields because it'd be a balancing nightmare.

Nobody's angry at you, yo.