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Blue Ice
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Joined: March 03, 2004
Posts: 43
From: Orange, NJ, USA
|  Posted: 2004-03-25 07:12
Yesterday me and several other members in the ICC spent hours rebuilding 2 entire systems (no completely) due to someone who had just built buildings to get stats. We can not even finish the job becase whoever it was is on -[A]- fleet and locked the planets on GA. That was in the Ross system.
In the IC system almost all the planets there are messed up and most of them are locked on VA and/or does not have enough res (cause it was spent by the wores) to rebuild the planet.
This is no incompetent like someone suggested. This was done intentional just for the sole purpose to get Engineering up. There's a difference between incompetent building and sabatage building, and this is sabatage.
A typical had planet:
3 lvl 3 Extractors mining only Metal
4 lvl 1 Generators
5 Barraks building Inf
3 lvl 1 Fighter Defense
3 lvl 1 Defense Base
and there was usually a problem with the infrastructure as there would not be enough power or people and sometimes food.
There should be a punishment for this ABUSE. I did not pay to spend hours rebuilding all this crud because idiots wanted to get fast stats. But you can't just ignore this problem because we need those planets.
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NoPants2win
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Joined: February 23, 2002
Posts: 1275
From: Poorly ventilated paint storage facility.
| Posted: 2004-03-25 07:59
I believe that whore has an h in it. That said, I agree completely.Unfortunately, the only way I can think of to enforce it requires considerable manual labor. There would need to be some sort of database for these complaints to be stored, if large amounts of these planets are showing up, an admin would have to sift through the server logs, and begin the long process of giving the offender a million warnings as is the DS way.
Now, Im not you, and I dont know the frequency at which you are running into these planets, but I just eat the stat loss. These planets would need to be built anyways, regardless of whether or not they were built badly by someone else.Its not fair, I know, but tael has a 3 woman a day addiction to feed.
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Drafell
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Joined: May 30, 2003
Posts: 2449
From: United Kingdom
| Posted: 2004-03-25 08:16
For stripping down and rebuilding a planet you dont lose much. In fact it's an extremely good way to make prestige...
So you may not like to build... then find someone who does and let them do it. If they are building badly then help them, don't just take over and complain like crazy.
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Tbone
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Joined: July 21, 2001
Posts: 1756
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2004-03-25 10:13
They built buildings for the sole purpose of getting their Engineering stat up....
Ummm, duh? 
Seriously though, if you want to start a Building Noob Patrol, go right ahead. Cause you can't really declare not knowing how to build officially against the Rules.
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Ashatwork
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Joined: April 03, 2003
Posts: 116
| Posted: 2004-03-25 11:01
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On 2004-03-25 07:12, Blue Ice wrote:
Yesterday me and several other members in the ICC spent hours rebuilding 2 entire systems (no completely) due to someone who had just built buildings to get stats. We can not even finish the job becase whoever it was is on -[A]- fleet and locked the planets on GA. That was in the Ross system.
In the IC system almost all the planets there are messed up and most of them are locked on VA and/or does not have enough res (cause it was spent by the wores) to rebuild the planet.
This is no incompetent like someone suggested. This was done intentional just for the sole purpose to get Engineering up. There's a difference between incompetent building and sabatage building, and this is sabatage.
A typical had planet:
3 lvl 3 Extractors mining only Metal
4 lvl 1 Generators
5 Barraks building Inf
3 lvl 1 Fighter Defense
3 lvl 1 Defense Base
and there was usually a problem with the infrastructure as there would not be enough power or people and sometimes food.
There should be a punishment for this ABUSE. I did not pay to spend hours rebuilding all this crud because idiots wanted to get fast stats. But you can't just ignore this problem because we need those planets.
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Since this has moved on to a public forum (albiet the INCORRECT one -> should be staff feedback)...
As the RoC is worded I can't see how this falls under any of the rules outlined.
Simple incompetence/indifference to building isn't against the rules.
Two comments now that I'm getting a more complete story...
1) Were all the planets locked to GA or VA?
2) When the MV is reset you really DO need more extractors in the very beginning to build stockpiles of resources for ship construction/modding.
If you don't like the way planets have been built you are free to scrap them down and rebuild them.
You brought up the issue of lost prestige.
Building 1 planet up to level 1 tech, then scrapping down buildings and upgrading them -- while taking a while -- nets you 150 engineering construction pts.
So rebuilding the system wouldn't cost you a single thing, it'd only make you prestige.
In conclusion: This really should be a matter between you and your faction. If you have teammates that build undefensible planets you should endevour to teach them better building technique, not only will that net them more prestige when their build but will help your faction as a whole having more and more people who are skilled builders. Why should the staff be expected to enforce teamwork on the factions?
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Banshee
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Joined: August 28, 2001
Posts: 2181
From: Philadelphia, PA
| Posted: 2004-03-25 11:01
Seeing as it was myself who locked the planets i might aswell explain why, the planets were locked for the simple purpose of building up the resources, the shipyards were extremely low on the Resources needed for anything, barely destroyers were avaliable,
while i cannot account for who is responsible for the half built planets i can tell you that i simply for got the planets were locked, im assuming this is in reference to the ross348 system, all planets shall be unlocked as of now with the exception of Ross 8, if anything needs doing there, ill do it personally.
Bansh
**EDIT** Just a quick note, this post is only in reference to the Ross348 system ONLY, not the IC system, i have taken a look and none of the planets in Ross348 are as poorly constructed as stated above, but there are a couple that are lacking, these shall be remedied immediately.
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MrSparkle
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Posts: 1912
From: mrsparkle
| Posted: 2004-03-25 12:55
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That's exactly why I think planets should automatically unlock after a while, because most of the time they're locked because people just forget to unlock them.
And it sucks that your planets were noobfied like that. I can say, as a kluth, that we don't have that problem as bad, but we DO have a problem with planets being locked all the time. Most of the time, like I said, is simply forgetting to unlock them.
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Blue Ice
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Posts: 43
From: Orange, NJ, USA
| Posted: 2004-03-25 13:42
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On 2004-03-25 11:01, Banshee wrote:
Seeing as it was myself who locked the planets i might aswell explain why, the planets were locked for the simple purpose of building up the resources, the shipyards were extremely low on the Resources needed for anything, barely destroyers were avaliable,
while i cannot account for who is responsible for the half built planets i can tell you that i simply for got the planets were locked, im assuming this is in reference to the ross348 system, all planets shall be unlocked as of now with the exception of Ross 8, if anything needs doing there, ill do it personally.
Bansh
**EDIT** Just a quick note, this post is only in reference to the Ross348 system ONLY, not the IC system, i have taken a look and none of the planets in Ross348 are as poorly constructed as stated above, but there are a couple that are lacking, these shall be remedied immediately.
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it was the uncharted systems in the middle just simply named Ross (has Ross 7, Ross 7a, Ross 7b, Ross 7c, ect) also the Inner Core system in the middle as well.
T "Money Bags" Bone [Eh?], the person(s) involved did only to get the stats and leave the planets as useless planets that did nothin for the faction.
Planets were locked both on GA and VA
Could we get somethin goin where the name of whoever build what is there and the name of the person who locked the planet.
so somethin like:
Varience Generator
Workers: 3
Power: +50
Build by: [name of whoever built it]
[EDIT] Oh you want to know what's the problem with that is? The problem is that when you try to fix it, you get stopped because they used up all the resources on the planet renderin it dead until someone brin resources to it.
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AdmiralChaos {FA}
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Joined: January 02, 2004
Posts: 443
From: US - Wisconsin - Oshkosh - Mah Basement
| Posted: 2004-03-26 02:19
it used to say who build what back in the day, but damn that spammed everyone up real good....
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Antra
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Joined: February 16, 2002
Posts: 657
From: Grand Rapids, Michigan
| Posted: 2004-03-28 03:56
Check the name of the nebula. 348.
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Smith
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Joined: October 13, 2002
Posts: 320
From: Pittsburgh
| Posted: 2004-03-28 09:45
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On 2004-03-25 12:55, Holycannoli wrote:
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That's exactly why I think planets should automatically unlock after a while, because most of the time they're locked because people just forget to unlock them.
And it sucks that your planets were noobfied like that. I can say, as a kluth, that we don't have that problem as bad, but we DO have a problem with planets being locked all the time. Most of the time, like I said, is simply forgetting to unlock them.
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should be like the old days when u log the planet unlocks.....
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Coeus {NCX-Charger}
Admiral, I can't read,
Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: February 16, 2004
Posts: 3635
From: South Philly
| Posted: 2004-03-30 17:15
Give buildings a built-by tag right under the stats, unlock the planets either when the locker logs, or after a certain period of time, and pass some cheese around, people need to relax 
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Fatal Command (CO)
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Fatal Squadron
Joined: November 27, 2002
Posts: 1159
From: Back in Texas and noticing some ppl are like canoes.....they need to be paddled.
| Posted: 2004-03-30 19:28
well..if its a TS planet....and its locked...its because its built the way we want it.if its not locked....then you may build as you wish...but it may be altered by TS at any time.TS SOP......you cap it........you build it........you cap another.then do it again.
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