Selvarian {IMC}
Cadet
Joined: August 18, 2001
Posts: 1242
From: GA, USA
|  Posted: 2002-05-01 08:30
* EVENT: 'NA Region Staff Meeting' event is starting now...
* Gideon has entered the room...
03:00:35 [Evil]Evil Bob: "hmmm... can't join debug, wonder if I need beta enabled..."
03:00:35 Gideon: "Sorry had to be a mod for a bit there..."
02:56:32 [PS]Selvarian: "Sorry, I am all out of bud in a bottle, but I have a can of "road beer" left."
02:56:49 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep, I would think so, Bob."
* Red "The Fang" Kerensky bites selvs ear
* Red "The Fang" Kerensky waves paw to all in room
03:01:04 [DoH]DarkWanderer: "road ber?"
02:57:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Long story.. I'll tell it later."
03:01:24 [Evil]Evil Bob: "rgr, switching to beta, back in a few..."
03:01:41 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "is this all we have?"
02:57:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, lighter turnout than expected."
* [-GTN-]Demorian has entered the room...
03:02:02 [{BSS}]Hermie*FA*: "can 1 just listen?"
03:02:12 [Evil]Disgruntled Doug: "we came all this way and all they have is road beer??"
03:02:13 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "course hermie"
02:58:04 [PS]Selvarian: "No matter. Mac won't be able to make it tonight, so I am adlibbing a bit"
03:02:16 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "this is public"
03:02:42 [DoH]DarkWanderer: "what is road beer?"
02:58:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Players please contain messages directed to the me in whispers, please."
02:58:44 [PS]Selvarian: "We are officially in session."
03:03:14 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Ok, whats tonight's agenda?"
02:59:30 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Well, we discussed voting for new moderators at the admin meeting, among other things."
03:03:47 Gideon: "Agenda...I like the sound of that..."
03:00:03 [PS]Selvarian: "However, the EU meeting yesterday fell apart pretty early."
03:00:16 [PS]Selvarian: "So, they tabled the vote until next meeting."
03:00:24 [PS]Selvarian: "the vote for their mods, that is."
03:00:36 [PS]Selvarian: "I am considering doing the same for one reason."
03:01:19 [PS]Selvarian: "Besides the light turnout, I think we need to be doing the voting off-line, in order to give everyone in the region the opportunity to vote."
03:05:27 [Evil]Evil Bob: "couldn't get in, with out without beta enabled, kept showing a server error"
03:05:38 Gideon: "Who is nominated?"
03:05:43 Gideon: "And I agree."
03:01:34 [PS]Selvarian: "Did you download, Bob>"
03:05:46 Taelron: "was taken care of bob"
03:02:10 [PS]Selvarian: "The EU mods were having the same problem. THe "free-format" voting in the meetings is hard as hell to keep track of."
* Red "The Fang" Kerensky whispered "acually, i am wondering hte same thing as gideon, WHO is nominated?"
03:02:48 [PS]Selvarian: "So, I am going to, at the very minimum, put up a voting page at Sylea, which will list nominees"
03:03:03 [PS]Selvarian: "and allow mods to comment and then vote on the candidates."
03:07:22 Gideon: "I agree, what did you have in mind? Somthing like our polls area, or a posting in the PMF?"
03:07:25 Gideon: "Ahh, I see."
03:07:45 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "So, who are all the candidates?"
03:03:50 [PS]Selvarian: "Nominees are NA players from the list in the Mod Feedback forum. SHigernafy's post and a few others I have gotten emails from."
03:08:02 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Or, is that what we are going to do tonight? come up with a list"
03:08:10 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ok"
03:08:33 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "btw, what are we going to do about people that were voted as ``observe`` from the last vote?"
03:04:33 [PS]Selvarian: "They will be included in the list."
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "That doesn't really seem fair....considering they basically made the first cut...."
* [{BSS}]Hermie*FA* whispered "sorry to interrupt ... how does one become nomitaned?"
03:05:14 [PS]Selvarian: "They are automatically up for consideration by virtue of being considered previously"
03:09:35 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ok...."
* Red "The Fang" Kerensky whispered "i got a question, is it possible to be "drafted" into moderatorism?"
03:05:41 [PS]Selvarian: "They will be listed as "pre-considered" nominees."
03:06:03 [PS]Selvarian: "IE, they will be the first ones examined."
03:10:28 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Ok..."
03:07:39 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway, we will then expand on the voting pages to include staff roles and such, which the site was designed to become anyway."
03:12:13 [Evil]Evil Bob: "does that mean you have finally finished it?"
03:08:07 [PS]Selvarian: "The voting was just going to be a small part, now it will be the first part."
03:09:03 [PS]Selvarian: "Now that I have access to the DS user database, I can finish putting the pieces together."
03:13:35 [Evil]Evil Bob: "cool"
03:09:39 [PS]Selvarian: "..and have been playing with PHP enough to make it all work."
03:10:00 [PS]Selvarian: "It's a hodgepodge of ASP/PHP/HTML right this minute, but it will work."
03:10:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway."
03:10:47 [PS]Selvarian: "We will defer the mod vote to the site."
03:11:08 [PS]Selvarian: "We are also going to be adding at least one more admin per region."
03:15:20 Taelron: "so whats next?"
* Taelron points at everyone else...
03:15:44 Gideon: "What are the duties of this admin?"
03:11:40 [PS]Selvarian: "I am waiting for Faustus blessing on it, and we will add it to the site as well."
03:15:58 Taelron: "remember, being admin means you have to... have to... have to joing a clan... yuck there i said it"
03:16:04 Gideon: "Mod wrangling?"
03:16:12 Gideon: "Ick...."
03:12:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Primarily act as an interface between the rest of the staff and PaleStar."
03:16:43 Gideon: "Mod wrangling..."
03:16:56 [Evil]Evil Bob: "among other things..."
03:12:47 [PS]Selvarian: "No, you don't HAVE to join the [PS] clan with your play account. You can just create another one and we'll make it the admin access account."
03:13:05 [PS]Selvarian: "Also, administrate the game resources"
03:17:25 Taelron: "you are ruining my rant Selv. lol"
03:13:19 [PS]Selvarian: "forums, web site, game servers, etc."
03:17:32 Gideon: "heh, I don't think anyone would have a problem with joining [PS].  "
03:17:48 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "i wont =P"
03:17:55 [Evil]Evil Bob: "it's not like you'll use the admin account to play with"
03:18:21 Taelron: "its not like i have beening using this one to play lately either lol"
03:18:48 [-GTN-]Praetorian: "More than I play with mine "
03:14:43 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway. New mods and admin soon. Next: The Update...."
03:18:51 [TWP]Evil Thought: "most mods dont play"
03:19:26 [Evil]Evil Bob: "hard to play and baby sit at the same time..."
03:15:17 [PS]Selvarian: "General impression of the update, from a staff perspective?"
03:19:43 [-GTN-]Praetorian: "Rushed"
03:19:48 [{BSS}]Hermie*FA*: ":)"
03:20:00 Gideon: "Weeeellll, now that things are more stable, it's not so bad."
03:20:04 [-GTN-]Demorian: "torpedoes are way too strong"
03:20:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*way*"
03:20:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "too strong"
03:20:06 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "rushed, but not AS rushed as, example, the 1.3 update"
03:20:08 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Yes, rushed, however, I think the ICC actually have a chance now..."
03:20:11 [Evil]Evil Bob: "I like the increase on the ICC shields, good balance... stronger torps mean torp cruisers are the dread killing ships they're supposed to be..."
03:20:22 Gideon: "I do fear that Faustus pushed a little to hard to make it by his deadline."
03:20:34 [-GTN-]Demorian: "the UGTO/K'luth balance was fine, all that needed tweaking was the ICC, not the cannons and the torps for bob's sake."
03:20:49 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "hehe gideon, we dont want to break faustus, than whos gonna update darkspace?"
03:16:40 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, he slaved away for many hours to make it out."
03:20:54 [Evil]Evil Bob: "torps are just fine now, they're slow moving projectiles that are supposed to hit hard."
03:21:08 [PB]Smokey: "*yawn* y0 sorry im late..."
03:21:10 Gideon: "HOWEVER, getting people to test the MV when it is in beta is like pulling teeth."
03:21:16 Gideon: "Or moving mountains."
03:21:23 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*sigh* i guess youre right"
03:17:19 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, that is a separate issue"
03:21:37 [TWP]Dimitrii: "I have to agree with Bob, I think torp cruisers are what they should be."
03:21:44 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "i would beta test if it was a bit stable and if more played"
03:21:52 [Evil]Evil Bob: "heh, all it took was folks losing their MV modded ships to the beta mv to stop playing in beta..."
03:17:49 [PS]Selvarian: "That is a problem we are talking with Faustus about. Players don't want to play in the beta MV, because it affects their play accounts negatively"
03:21:59 [TWP]Evil Thought: "cause everytime you joined MV beta you kissed off your ship in normal MV and credits are real hard to come by now"
03:22:07 Gideon: "Well, I don't actually think so. I think he had to rush it out to get people into it to test it."
03:17:58 [PS]Selvarian: "lost ships, prestige, etc."
03:22:47 [Evil]Evil Bob: "...and having beta servers set to ladder = on...  "
03:22:48 Gideon: "OK, now if people are really afraid of losing credits, they can just not mod their ship..."
03:23:08 [TWP]Dimitrii: "That isn't likely Gideon."
03:23:20 Gideon: "Right, but it is fact."
03:23:27 [TWP]Evil Thought: "new MV is big.. need better engines and such to move about well Gid"
03:23:30 Taelron: "some people mod so much they dont know how to play stock"
* [DoH]DarkWanderer whispered "Is this open discussion now?"
03:23:47 Gideon: "I think, reguardless, that we need Faustus to jsut concetrate on bug fixes in the MV for quite a while."
03:23:54 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "some are too broke to mod and only play stock  "
03:24:19 [TWP]Dimitrii: "What I think would be nice is if you could so slight mods at the gate before you ride out the jumpgate."
03:25:02 [Evil]Evil Bob: "suggestion forum"
03:25:20 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "Im curious"
03:21:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Players, please direct comments / questions to me in a whisper. The meeting is officially in session. Thanks!"
03:25:24 Red "The Fang" Kerensky: "why wasnt ships reset with MV"
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "ok, back to topic, eyes starting to burn, "
03:22:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Hopefully, Faustus is about to nip the server crash bug for good."
03:22:27 [PS]Selvarian: "We're back to restarting server instances again."
03:22:43 [PS]Selvarian: "With more MV systems, the servers are getting pretty loaded."
03:27:03 Gideon: "Any rate, I think that some serious bug fixes, followed by some forcing people into the MV would be called for."
03:24:01 [PS]Selvarian: "Red -> to answer the question of why ships weren't reset, it was because Faustus made it unnecessary; he added an object versioning system so he didn't have to reset the player objects anymore."
03:29:02 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "but many players ended up in the middle of nowhere"
03:25:07 [PS]Selvarian: "I don't get the impression that the mod-mode/ship will be making it into the game anytime soon. However, I could be wrong... Faustus hasn't said anything about it to me, though I have asked him about it a number of times."
03:25:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Different problem, Pizza."
03:26:19 [PS]Selvarian: "That problem was related to the one where people's stats reverted back to values consistent with what they had a couple days to a couple weeks ago."
03:30:43 [PB]Smokey: "i think the cause of the movement of MV systems that your old coordinates put you in the older wrong spot? "
03:27:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Somehow it was saving your position wrong. There were a number of position bugs that cropped up in the new version."
* [TWP]Dimitrii whispered "what i was saying about moding ships at the gate, i was told to use the suggestion forum.. I think, that after actual spacestations are put into the game, and done right, mods at the gate won't be a thing on peoples mind. i would however like to see an update on missions and spacestion progress in the Dev Updates forum if that is possible. It would be nice."
03:28:25 [PS]Selvarian: "As Faustus puts work into various game features, bugs, and balance issues, he will post updates in the Development Log and Dev Forum."
03:32:41 [-GTN-]Praetorian: "Well on a side note there regarding the Mod Mode/Ship, with the expanded MV, it's nearly impossible to Moderate being as we have to travel system to system to get to the problem, and have to get supplied along the way...not an overly effective way to see a problem..."
03:33:22 Gideon: "Yeah, that could be a problem."
03:29:20 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, the mod mode he is supposedly working on is more-or-less adding an extended user interface to the "observer" mode."
03:33:32 [Evil]Evil Bob: "the mod ship will be able to log on to the server you choose as well as instantly move to any position you want to go to."
03:33:33 Gideon: "Some of these area are quite remote..."
03:33:59 Gideon: "Ahhh, an omnipotent mod mode would be better than a ship."
03:34:11 [-GTN-]Praetorian: "That sounds A-O-K to me Selv..."
03:34:18 Gideon: "Players may see the ship coming and stop, preventing you from catching them in the act."
03:34:22 [-[A`]-]|2eason: ":)"
03:34:30 [Evil]Evil Bob: "all the ship does is just represent you in the game as being something different"
03:34:42 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "cloak it "
03:30:34 [PS]Selvarian: "There exists a command in the server under admin mode called /server; it allows us to instantly switch servers. However, it has been broken for a while, so Faustus told us not to use it. Chances are, it will be fixed so that you can instantly switch servers as you need to."
* [PB]Shigernafy apologizes for being late and waves to everyone...
03:35:11 [-[A`]-]|2eason: ":)"
* [-GTN-]Demorian gives [PB]Shigernafy a great big hug...
03:35:24 Taelron: "the mod ship will have true invisibility"
* Gideon smiles at [PS]Selvarian...
03:35:35 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye."
03:31:39 [PS]Selvarian: "Eventually, he may put in a "ship" mode, so you can act like a cop sitting on the side of the road, visible to everyone"
03:36:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "or invisible if need be"
* [-GTN-]Praetorian polishes his badge *
03:36:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "a handy part of that would be a zap drive exploit on far side of map? *zap*"
03:32:20 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if you switch back to observe mode, then the ship will disappear."
03:36:31 [Evil]Evil Bob: "not necessarily needed to be seen, but there will be times that it will be useful"
03:32:50 [PS]Selvarian: "That's what is nice about the observer mode.. it nearly "teleports" you to a target."
03:37:00 [-GTN-]Demorian: "perhaps have it show up when a player goes into the ship, at the location they were watching in observe"
03:37:05 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that would work quite well."
03:33:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway, I have no info on the timeframe which we are talking about here for even the most rudimentary version of this."
03:33:51 [PS]Selvarian: "I will be talking with Faustus about it soon, though."
03:37:57 [-GTN-]Demorian: "fudge."
* [-GTN-]Demorian looks pouty.
03:38:12 [Evil]Evil Bob: " t minus how many days until the TsN broadcast..."
03:34:17 [PS]Selvarian: "Thursday, right, Torq?"
03:34:24 [PS]Selvarian: "May 2nd"
03:38:41 [-GTN-]Praetorian: "2 days"
03:38:50 Gideon: "Also, I have a suggestion for Faustus."
03:34:54 [PS]Selvarian: "What's that, Gid"
03:34:55 [PS]Selvarian: "?"
03:39:14 Gideon: "I would suggest that he play a bit more."
03:39:40 Gideon: "He has been busting his hump, he does not need to be burnt out."
* [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer has entered the room...
03:35:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Heh. Well, he "plays" when he is testing things. He doesn't have time to "play" as just a player, though."
03:39:54 Gideon: "Plus it might be a fresh perspective from time to time."
03:40:17 Gideon: "He should make time. Like an hour each day."
03:40:27 Gideon: "As an account that none of us know."
03:40:29 [{BSS}]Hermie*FA*: "or take a day "
03:36:24 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if he had the time, I think he would. Hopefully, as things progress, he may get some time to do that."
* [DoH]Banshee whispered "quite frankly F shud play, maybe in newbie cos it wud give newer players a chance to see who he is and understand what he does"
03:40:56 [.Di.]Wolver: "if i was faustus i wouldn't want to play much either....as soon as hre logs into a server he's got a bullseye on him :-/"
03:41:07 Gideon: "I really think seeing the game from the players perspective might help keep him fresh."
03:41:27 Gideon: "@Wolver, hence the annonymity."
03:41:34 [PB]Shigernafy: "he has a "stealth" ID Wolver, he can play safely."
03:41:38 Gideon: "of an unknown name."
03:37:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I will say that he has a number of "stealth" accounts that he can play on. He might even be playing occasionally, but none of us would know it."
03:42:05 Gideon: "Remember Gary Larson?"
03:42:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Faustus in squirrel mode."
03:42:14 Gideon: "Brilliant man, would work non stop."
* [.Di.]Wolver is slow...
03:42:22 [PB]Shigernafy: "I know of one of them, but it has little time played too..."
03:42:24 Gideon: "but if his employers didn"
03:42:30 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "it's a conspiracy! there's spys everywhere!!! (sorry for the outburst.. only time i'll do it!)"
03:42:35 Gideon: "'didn't MAKE him take a vacation, he would burn out."
* [DoH]Banshee whispered "i have actually seen him play as Faustus, wasnt a test, cudnt shoot him thou, on my team "
03:43:12 Gideon: "I have not been here from the beginning, but from how long I have been here he has been working without stop."
03:43:22 [Evil]Evil Bob: "he's got a wife and kid, the wife more then likely makes him take time off..."
03:39:50 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, unfortunately, Faustus is both employer and worker, so the only person who can make him take a vacation is himself. Of course, his family keeps him from going off of the deep end."
03:43:57 Gideon: "Wives are like that..."
03:44:24 [Evil]Evil Bob: "and selv's weekly calls..."
03:40:37 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway.. let's move on.."
03:40:56 [PS]Selvarian: "Any serious player issues that we need to discuss?"
03:41:04 [PS]Selvarian: "Nojj, for example?"
03:45:30 Gideon: "The Nojj debacle?"
03:45:57 Gideon: "Now, I am not clear on what happened, perhaps a breif recap?"
* [-GTN-]Demorian has been away and is lost. Brief synopsis?
03:42:51 [PS]Selvarian: "When the new MV came up, player ships were "randomly" spawned in various systems, not starting out from their home faction's jumpgate, as one would expect from a reset MV"
03:47:37 Taelron: "Bascily he stated his oppinions of some issues and felft several of the Kluth players were singling him out, attacking him on a personal level for his oppinioins and attacking his clan in the chats...."
03:48:10 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "and I am the devil"
03:44:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Some people decided that such did not seem fair and either flew back to the home system, or Self-Dd. Others decided to take advantage of the situation and started capping planets where they were spawned."
03:48:25 Gideon: "Now, I never saw any of these attacks. We all know that already, Pizza."
* [PB]Shigernafy gives [TWP]PizzaTheHut a few pats on the head...
* [-GTN-]Demorian blinks, looks at Taleron, then at Pizza, then at Taelron, then oddly at Pizza, then shakes his head.
03:48:39 Taelron: "Between the stress from internal clan issues and the weight of several other people wearing on him he disbanded his clan"
03:44:42 [PS]Selvarian: "Still others were royally screwed, as they spawned millions of gus from anywhere and had no choice but to Self-D."
03:48:53 Gideon: "Anyonw ahve an example of an attack?"
03:49:00 Gideon: "ahve=have"
03:49:13 [-[`A]-]Gwaihir: "greets to all"
03:49:37 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "actually selv, we sent supplies to rescue ppl who didn't want to SD"
* [Evil]Evil Bob whispered "this is not necessarily a good public topic"
03:45:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Then, while in discussions about it in the chat rooms and forums, he felt besieged by several players."
03:45:50 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, I know. Some people had no choice, though, Pizza."
03:50:20 [-GTN-]Demorian: "i heard about someone who was 1.$ gu away from one of my clansmen."
03:50:23 [-GTN-]Demorian: "err 1.4$"
03:50:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "now thats scary"
03:50:30 Gideon: "Now, did he get yelled at for starting in other systems, or was he angry about people using what he thought was an exploit?"
03:50:32 Taelron: "i was a supply and sd'd, didnt want to wait 5 minutes lol"
03:50:33 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "always the option to hit the lobby and ask. sorry. everyone has the choice"
03:50:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "because that means the player was so far away that the coord system went insane"
03:50:48 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and wrote 1.4$"
03:50:51 [.Di.]Wolver: "he was angry about other people exploiting"
03:51:25 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "he was mad because he didn't get to cap an entire system all by himself. ask his former clans m8s"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Uh, it is already a public topic. I'm just bringing people up to speed on the details."
03:51:29 Taelron: "Like i said though, there was more to it... some internal clan issues, but basicly everything came to a hilt at once."
03:51:41 Gideon: "OK, so did he discuss this reasonably, or did he act in an angry and inflamitory mannor?"
03:52:07 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "option 2 gid"
03:52:10 Taelron: "his initial post is still in the forums..."
03:48:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, read the Soap Box forum and decide for yourselves."
03:52:26 Taelron: "he kept his mannerisms in chat the same as the post..."
03:52:50 [.Di.]Wolver: "he's been whining forever....but that still doesn't excuse people for personally atacking him"
03:52:59 [Evil]Evil Bob: "he's gone overboard in chat repeatedly, basically he's brougth this all on himself."
03:53:06 Taelron: "By the time I came across it and told everyone to drop it and got his team to pull him into a room and talk to him, the damage had been done."
03:49:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Point in bringing this up is that he felt that it was something that needed to be addressed by the staff, so I wanted to discuss the issue, not necessarily his handling of it and other subsequent actions."
03:53:21 [.Di.]Wolver: "from what i read it looks like ALL parties involved are to blame for the situation"
03:53:30 Gideon: "OK, then here is the million dollar question: What is our stance as moderators on this specific issue?"
03:53:30 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "was this today teal?"
03:53:35 [PB]Shigernafy: "but according to him, he went overboard after repeated attacks, which were ignored. Only his outbursts were noticed and acted upon."
03:53:35 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "tael*"
03:53:44 Taelron: "No it was yesterday"
03:53:50 Taelron: "or sunday.. cant remember"
03:54:07 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "btw I NEVER personally attacked him in the chat rooms"
03:54:44 [Evil]Evil Bob: "nojj has tried repeatedly to argue with me, I just ignore him"
03:54:45 Taelron: "Basicly i logged into the middle of it, and told all parties to drop it... and repeatidly told him i was not admonishing him, i just wanted it to end as it was going no where"
03:54:48 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I ignored him... think tael suggested it... but then he called me stupid for ignoring him :"
03:55:00 [Evil]Evil Bob: "he seems to specifically pick out kluth players to argue with."
03:55:05 Gideon: "Question: Should we, as moderators, pulled the plug on this in the chat rooms and forums?"
03:55:23 Taelron: "I was just trying to defuse the situation, i took him and his clan into another room and sat with them and listen to them"
03:51:18 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway, the issue is whether or not the random spawning is a situation that needs to be discussed or not."
03:55:59 Taelron: "in a situation like the MV reset, the ships location should have been reset too..."
03:56:01 [Evil]Evil Bob: "it's like playing the lottery, some win, most don't, oh well...."
03:56:20 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Yes it does Selv...."
03:56:22 [.Di.]Wolver: "Selv, was this randow spawn simply a by-product of Faustus not resetting the ships in MV??"
03:52:25 [PS]Selvarian: "Basically, Wolver."
03:56:36 [Evil]Evil Bob: "when the new MV was put in place, all ships should have been reset"
03:56:43 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yes wolver"
03:52:35 [PS]Selvarian: "I agree."
* [PB]Shigernafy wishes he had a crystalline entity and hed undo the damage...
03:56:48 [.Di.]Wolver: "i know my ship was exactly where it was the last time i logged into the MV"
03:56:58 Gideon: "OK, if there are going to be any possible resets of the MV in the future, then ship position needs to be reset as well..."
03:57:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "They should have been wiped"
03:53:38 [PS]Selvarian: "However, we are T+1.5 days after release. I don't know if he will be able to justify resetting the ship database."
03:53:43 [PS]Selvarian: "..at this point."
03:57:51 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yep, agreed"
03:58:05 [.Di.]Wolver: "don't reset noe"
03:58:06 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "but wiping the ships = lost credits. some people still have classy ships"
03:58:07 [.Di.]Wolver: "now"
03:58:13 Gideon: "Can he just reset the ship positions?"
03:58:13 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "As I stated, ``should have``"
03:58:33 Gideon: "Not the whole vessel, just it's location?"
03:54:40 [PS]Selvarian: "..and some people still have "illegal" ships (PCM exploit)"
03:58:52 [TWP]Dimitrii: "I don't know anyone elses take on reseting the mv back to blank, empty, notta, go recap it again, but to me, that isn't going to do much but keep me from logging into the mv untill someone else feals like redoing every thing again."
03:59:14 Gideon: "@Selvarian.......what?!?!?"
03:59:15 Taelron: "well the insta disconnect to save my ship needs to be addressed"
* Gideon swears viciously...
03:59:34 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yes, there are a couple still out there"
03:59:43 Gideon: "Then I am for a pre-warned reset of the entire ship database."
03:59:51 Gideon: "Give people enough time to sell their carp."
03:59:57 Gideon: "And then wipe the lot of it."
04:00:03 [.Di.]Wolver: "i agre with Gid"
04:00:05 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "gid selling crap = prestige loss"
03:56:01 [PS]Selvarian: "carp? hehe"
04:00:09 [Evil]Evil Bob: "yeah, I posted in the PMF about that dicos players"
04:00:30 [Evil]Evil Bob: "new food supply... carp"
04:00:42 [Evil]Evil Bob: "more important then urdanium..."
04:00:43 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "and refitting to original will only cost more"
04:00:46 Gideon: "Well, they have the option of flying back to a gate with their ships and picking another."
04:00:55 Gideon: "Avoiding the pres loss."
04:01:05 Gideon: "And yes, carp was intentional."
03:57:03 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway, I don't know what Faustus' thoughts are on this, but I am going to bring it up with him next time I speak with him. It may not be possible to reset positions without resetting the ship database itself."
04:01:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "if they go into the gate with empty systems"
04:01:12 [-GTN-]Demorian: "they lose prestige"
04:01:29 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "and if they go in with modded ship, it'a lost"
04:01:38 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "credits lost that is"
03:57:38 [PS]Selvarian: "If the ship DB is wiped, then they don't lose anything but the modifications."
04:01:46 Gideon: "correct me if I am wrong, but so long as you have systems in place that are at least equile to the value of the originals, you lose nothing."
04:01:54 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye"
04:02:08 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "you lose credits gid credits"
04:02:08 Gideon: "Well, credits, or prestege, that is the choice they would be presented."
04:02:09 [-GTN-]Demorian: "but selling the stuff entails finding the original systems (which is hard in itself) and slapping those back in"
04:02:18 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "credits"
04:02:24 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "why dont you just sell it all, and then run into a sun?"
04:02:31 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "better then going back into the gate"
04:02:41 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and because things sell for SO much less than they are bought (which is lame), you still lose money"
04:02:50 Gideon: "Reason, that would dock you the prestege for the missing components."
04:02:57 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "blah"
04:03:01 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "try sinking over 100k into a ship, just to have it wiped"
04:03:07 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "good, That eliminates that as an exploit then, "
04:03:16 [-GTN-]Demorian: "honestly, what does an AM Drive sell for? it buys for 15k and sells for 3?"
04:03:21 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Pizza, you dont have to mod your ships"
04:03:26 Gideon: "Reguardless, there are still vessels that are in violation of the RoC. This needs to be addressed, and not by attrition."
04:03:36 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "lame arguement reason"
04:03:36 [Evil]Evil Bob: "you get that report selv?"
03:59:42 [PS]Selvarian: "Nope"
04:03:57 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Doesn't matter, Its a fact"
04:04:02 Gideon: "You think so? Then why?"
server cursing other players after being asked to mind his lang. ruining the game""
04:04:20 Gideon: "Oh, not responding to me, sorry."
04:04:24 Gideon: "Cross chat."
04:04:26 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "mod ship on kluth gives HUGE advantage"
04:04:51 [.Di.]Wolver: "hopefully metaverse resets will be minimal from now on....i think we'll be screwed any way you cut it....so i'd be willing to sacrifice the credtis invested to mod"
04:05:12 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "I'll hush... sorry"
* [PB]Shigernafy got no report..
04:05:15 Gideon: "I am with Wolver on this."
04:05:24 Gideon: "You can always get the credits back."
04:05:36 Gideon: "Especially if the economy is expanded in the future."
04:05:37 [Evil]Evil Bob: "heading to newbie "
04:05:39 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "no you can't..."
04:05:47 [.Di.]Wolver: "you can just go into newbie and kill some frigates for their parts to get the credit s back anyway"
04:05:51 Gideon: "Wern't you hushing?"
04:05:54 Gideon: ":P"
04:05:55 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "IF there is trade, yes"
04:06:00 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "lol woops..."
04:06:05 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Lets put it this way, would you rather lose the prestige or lose the credits?"
04:06:19 [PB]Shigernafy: "actually, the part dropping is quite low now, and the prices are also quite low.. its pretty hard to make credits.."
04:06:25 Gideon: "I would rather lose the credits, myself."
04:06:25 [.Di.]Wolver: "exactly reason....credits"
04:06:26 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "neither"
04:06:38 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Well, it isn't an option pizza"
04:06:43 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "either one or the other"
04:06:45 Gideon: "And you can make back the credits, it just takes time."
04:06:46 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "yes it is"
04:06:47 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ATM"
04:06:49 [.Di.]Wolver: "you won't be able to have it both ways"
* [PB]Shigernafy aims his remote at Pizza and hits the mute button...
* Gideon dreams of a mute command in chat...
04:07:16 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "whatever"
04:03:24 [PS]Selvarian: "ANYway. The final decision on how it is dealt with is up to Faustus."
04:08:03 Gideon: "Reguardless, people will be angry, even if he does nothing."
04:08:14 Gideon: "He will have to go with what he thinks is right."
* [-[A`]-]|2eason watches as a bunch of Trekkies run into the room, grab [TWP]PizzaTheHut and eat him, and run out, leaving nothing but the crust!
04:08:27 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "sry, last emote I do, "
04:08:28 Gideon: "LOL"
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut eats up all the UGTO and ICC ships and spits them out at [-[A`]-]|2eason
04:04:51 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Back to decorum, folks."
04:09:04 Gideon: "Moooving right along..."
04:09:07 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Ok, next topic"
* [PB]Shigernafy checks the room title.. oh, yep, still is the Mod Meeting...
* Gideon humms a little tune while waiting...
04:06:21 [PS]Selvarian: "BTW, prestige gain in beta 1 was intentional"
04:10:54 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "I think it should be taken off, too many things that could give you negative prestige"
04:11:06 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "Hence, Beta"
04:11:22 [PB]Smokey: "testing of the group feature"
04:07:17 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, it was there to test the grouping feature, which couldn't be tested without it."
04:11:33 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ah"
04:11:34 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "ok"
04:11:40 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "got ya"
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "btw, did you add darq duck to the list of purged mods?"
04:08:10 [PS]Selvarian: "In the admin meeting, we discussed putting up an information page, with a "short list" of the most important newb info in the game."
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut whispered "actually, faus should leave one on and one off... it may draw more testers..."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Yep."
* [-GTN-]Demorian has entered the room...
04:13:08 [-GTN-]Demorian: "GOD we need mod mode badly"
04:13:24 [-GTN-]Demorian: "how can we even respond to problem players when we cant even join the side the player is on....."
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "that was another mod added in the last mod vote..."
04:13:40 [-GTN-]Demorian: "anyway, sorry for the delay, couldn't get into K'luth so i saw Evil Bob and just came back."
04:09:36 [PS]Selvarian: "There's a thread about the RoC "short list" in the PMF. Please add your thoughts to it and also about what you think should be some of the most important game info for newbies."
* [Evil]MaDB|otcH waves
04:10:05 [PS]Selvarian: "We will be linking various other game info pages from it, like the Manual, RoC, FAQ, Knowledgebase, fan sites, etc."
04:14:14 [PB]Shigernafy: "..."
* Gideon congratulates Demorian for being one of the few to type KLuth correctly...
* [-GTN-]Demorian notes that Gideon didnt do it either.
* [PB]Shigernafy whispered "I kinda already made a newbie intro page for faustus.. I could run through and update it again.. i made it like a month ago, and gave it to nimby for Faustus, but its still MIA. I'll give you a link to it in a sec."
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "how much longer?"
* [PS]Selvarian sent "for?"
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "how many more topics?"
04:12:49 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. I think I have covered just about everything I had on my list. Anyone want to bring up anything else?"
* [-[A`]-]|2eason whispered "ok...."
04:17:29 [Evil]Evil Bob: "player disco to save pres been addressed?"
04:17:30 Gideon: "Random thought: Was just sifting throught the fleets. Wu tang clan has 0 prestege and 0 members. Anyone else think this is odd?"
04:17:35 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "zzz...."
* Gideon slaps [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer in the head...
04:13:44 [PS]Selvarian: "Nope."
04:17:55 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Dem will now go do English homework and return later."
* [-GTN-]Demorian goes poof.
04:14:26 [PS]Selvarian: "No, Gid. Someone created a fleet and abandoned it"
04:14:39 [PS]Selvarian: "We (admins) go through the list fairly regularly and cull them"
04:18:57 Gideon: "Soooo, how is the Fleet culling coming, then?"
04:15:21 [PS]Selvarian: "Regarding Player Discos.. Faustus took the AI code out because it was causing more problems than it was solving."
04:19:37 Gideon: "May want to give them another looksee..."
04:19:49 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "lol one ugto clan has a recruit, but no members..."
04:16:08 [PS]Selvarian: "We've been over the various solutions before, but Faustus will have to pick a better one than the one he was using."
04:21:17 [TWP]PizzaTheHut: "log off delay... "logging in X amount of time" seen it in other games and in suggestions forum"
04:17:23 [PS]Selvarian: "In the meantime, I don't know if there is anything that can be done about it."
04:21:59 Gideon: "I don't think that there is."
04:17:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Kinda hard to make it an exploit, as people legitimately get lagged out or discoed randomly anyway."
04:22:39 Gideon: "and most of that comes in the middle of intensive processes, like combat."
* [TWP]PizzaTheHut whispered "if ppl /report it, it can be logged in PMF and you will have a list, you will see some people keep doing it"
* Prince Gato has entered the room...
04:19:41 [PS]Selvarian: "So, unless anyone has a workable interim solution, then I suggest we let it be until Faustus implements a more useful fix."
04:24:08 Gideon: "Agreed."
04:20:23 [PS]Selvarian: "He should be able to get something in by the next point release."
04:21:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Any other issues/topics?"
* [-GTN-]Demorian has entered the room...
* [.Di.]Wolver whispered "i've had a lot of people asking about the bad language use of the word *ass* is it acceptable in some instences??"
04:25:39 [-GTN-]Demorian: "Dem is not going to do his English homework, and has returned after five minutes."
* [-GTN-]Judas whispered "Why not make it so ships remain in the game for 30 - 60 seconds and then are removed if someone disco's or logs out? works in other games"
04:26:25 [-GTN-]Demorian: "and then there was silence"
04:26:32 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "gideon smacked me! i feel violated! i want this issue addressed now! "
04:26:34 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "hehehe"
04:22:29 [PS]Selvarian: "Most of the suggestions about how to fix the disco problem have been made previously. Please check out the Suggestions forum/archive to see if your suggestion has already been posted, as that is where any solution wil most likely come from."
04:26:36 Gideon: "There's two things I always forget...........and I can't remember them..."
* [-[A`]-]|2eason slaps [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer in the head...
04:26:49 [-GTN-]Demorian: "there are three types of people in this world"
04:26:52 [-GTN-]Demorian: "those who count, and those who can't."
04:26:55 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "There, the problem is solved"
* Gideon slaps [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer in the head...
04:27:22 Gideon: "Move to adjourn."
04:23:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Which problem, Reason?"
* [-GTN-]Demorian soars through the stratosphere in his Quantum Singularity Bomb and grins wickedly at [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer...as he approaches, he suddenly realizes, `Wait a minute...this is gonna hurt...` and then...a brilliant flash lights up the room.
04:27:27 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "AHHHH"
04:27:36 [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer: "hehe"
04:27:46 Gideon: "My eyes!!!!!"
04:23:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyone seconds?"
* [-[A`]-]|2eason has demoted [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer to janitor!
* [-[A`]-]|2eason smacks [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer upside the head with a mop, and says, ``Better get cleaning!``
* [-[A`]-]AgentStarblazer hides in the comfort of his car
* [-[A`]-]AgentFritz gets into my Panzer and runs over Star, making him into little little bits
04:28:04 [-[A`]-]|2eason: "I second it..."
04:28:05 Gideon: "I second the motion."
04:24:09 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Meeting is adjourned. Thanks for attending!"
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