Selvarian {IMC}
Cadet
Joined: August 18, 2001
Posts: 1242
From: GA, USA
|  Posted: 2002-04-14 20:48
* EVENT: 'NA Region Staff Meeting' event is starting now...
02:56:29 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, the meetings vary in turnouts."
03:01:11 [PS]-mac-: "hmm good point  "
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer lights a smoke
02:56:56 [PS]Selvarian: "I wonder if Faustus will be kind enough to join us tonight."
03:01:53 [PS]-mac-: "I think he's sleeping"
03:01:55 [-Di-]Quiic: "I think he was in the english lobby"
* [PS]Selvarian sent "If you want to join us, you can have the floor right off of the bat to talk about things."
* [-GTN-]NeoViper waves to [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer...
03:02:18 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "he was next door answering questions"
02:57:48 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, I saw."
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer waves to [-GTN-]NeoViper...
02:58:00 [PS]Selvarian: "I have been sending him messages to see if he wants to show up."
03:02:50 Taelron: "man i am in trouble, only 1 pepsi left after i drink the one i am drinking after the one i am drinking now..."
03:03:02 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "put a smart bomb in the next one"
03:03:11 [DI]H@VOC: ":P"
03:03:16 [-Di-]Quiic: "=-o"
03:03:18 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "btw nice change to add more website to Lobby button"
02:58:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Greetings, sir."
* [-Di-]Quiic waves to [PS]Faustus...
* [PS]-mac- waves to [PS]Faustus...
02:59:00 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I want to thank everyone for showing up tonight."
03:03:42 [PS]Faustus: "ah you noticed...."
* [-GTN-]NeoViper smiles at [PS]Faustus...
03:03:56 [PS]Faustus: "@havoc... did you notice the new lobbies?"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer nods at [PS]Faustus...
02:59:33 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, I saw them, too."
03:04:10 [PS]Faustus: "@havoc... just need you to get your site up, so I can get your site in there  "
03:04:11 [DI]H@VOC: "yes i did "
03:04:12 [DI]H@VOC: ":P"
* [ C `] Dwarden_Console has entered the room...
03:04:28 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "ERI Crashed"
03:04:39 [PS]Faustus: "ops... the new lobby code changes chat rooms when you change lobbies"
03:04:39 [DI]H@VOC: "April 2 havagame will be all done"
03:04:40 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "cool"
03:04:44 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "didnt do it i swear  "
03:04:55 [PS]-mac-: "I got it"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
03:05:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "hell disconnect"
03:00:32 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Well, since the man of the hour is present, I would like to turn the floor over to him to bring up the first topics and answer any pertinent staff questions."
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
03:05:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "wth?"
03:05:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "got twice disco on 2 machine"
03:05:46 [PS]Faustus: "K.... first off, found some problems with the low-level network code still... however, I can't put 1.44 up until we test on the beta server, which is down because of hardware failure"
03:05:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "i said ERI crashed"
03:06:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "everytime i said that got disco from lobby"
03:01:25 [PS]Selvarian: "We saw, D."
03:06:12 [ C `] Dwarden: "good ..."
03:01:52 [PS]Selvarian: "Thanks for the heads-up. I will go check it out."
03:06:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "@F can u run beta on alpha server?"
03:06:30 [PS]Faustus: "anyway.... my wife wants me to get off the computer, it's not one of my work nights... "
03:07:02 [-[A]-]|2eason: ";)"
03:07:02 [PS]Faustus: "@dwarden.. yes, will do that tomorrow if the beta isn't back up... anyway, I've gotta go "
03:07:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "or can u put beta on beta server for update?"
03:07:13 Taelron: "np, next topic should be moving F's work night to mod night"
03:02:43 [PS]Selvarian: "We'll make it quick, then."
03:07:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "i mean i can download beta and run my own beta server"
03:07:26 [PS]-mac-: "heheh"
03:07:27 [PS]Faustus: "hehe ... l8r"
* [ C `] Dwarden waves to [PS]Faustus...
03:07:36 [DI]H@VOC: "hummm"
03:07:36 [PS]-mac-: "cya Faus"
03:07:36 [PS]Faustus: "my work nights, are wedsday and monday nights... "
03:03:00 [PS]Selvarian: "Or moving the meeting to his wourk night."
03:07:41 [PS]Faustus: "FYI"
03:08:03 Taelron: "wensday is startrek night, i dont know... lol "
03:03:46 [PS]Selvarian: "There's always Mondays.... ALWAYS"
03:04:08 [PS]Selvarian: "ANyway.."
03:04:36 [PS]Selvarian: "I first want to say that we've had a rough week or so in the community."
* Taelron nods.
03:05:27 [PS]Selvarian: "..and I am saddened to observe one of our more dedicated members leaving our ranks (but not the game itself!): Dwarden."
03:10:02 [DI]H@VOC: "all ears"
03:10:08 [DI]H@VOC: "err eyes"
03:10:34 [DI]H@VOC: "hell no he wont go we all hope"
* [-GTN-]Demorian has entered the room...
* [-GTN-]Demorian hits himself several times repeatedly and mutters pitifully, ``sorry guys...``
03:06:44 [PS]Selvarian: "I want to make sure that no one forgets his past contributions to the game, nor his tireless energy in promoting it and making it better for everyone."
03:07:40 [PS]Selvarian: "If you have anything you would like to say, Dwarden, I yield the floor to you."
03:13:02 Taelron: "Hopefully things go on a path you like Dwarden and decide to come back as an official.."
03:09:01 [PS]Selvarian: "..are you at least still there?  )"
03:09:55 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, while he is away and/or typing, we'll move on for the moment. If you want to say something, D, just let us know."
* Taelron whispered "suggest moving on"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
03:14:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "i got lost connection again"
03:14:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "can me anyone send fast log over icq?"
03:15:06 [-GTN-]Demorian: "heh, ouch"
03:15:17 Taelron: "dont have icq installed here anyone else?"
03:10:43 [PS]Selvarian: "Here's what was said, mostly:"
03:10:48 [PS]Selvarian: "..and I am saddened to observe one of our more dedicated members leaving our ranks (but not the game itself!): Dwarden."
03:15:28 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "what is your #"
03:10:54 [PS]Selvarian: "I want to make sure that no one forgets his past contributions to the game, nor his tireless energy in promoting it and making it better for everyone."
03:10:59 [PS]Selvarian: "If you have anything you would like to say, Dwarden, I yield the floor to you."
03:15:42 [-Di-]Quiic: "I do"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
03:15:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "aaaaargh"
03:15:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "123 dont drop me god"
03:11:32 [PS]Selvarian: "Did you get that?"
03:16:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "i got really nothing"
03:16:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "both machines lost connection"
03:12:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I was expressing my gratitude for your contributions and was asking if you had anything you wanted to say."
03:18:17 [DI]H@VOC: "well I'll say this for Dwarden even though we all have a hard time uderstanding what he types in english we can not help but remember all the woounderfull improvments he has contributed to Dark space and i my self would Miss him as an Official and i think he should just stay around as a official to help us over come the teenage growth spert the dark space had entered intp"
03:18:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "...."
03:18:46 [-GTN-]Demorian: "wow..."
* [-GTN-]Demorian faces [DI]H@VOC, puts a closed fist to his heart, bowing on one knee and lowering his head.
03:18:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "nah i resignated on my MOD status until some of MODs decide to act less arogant, play fair with theirs advanced functions (kick,ban) and when MOD stop be function for some people who ride on others works (there isnt more as 10 - 20 working moderators)"
03:19:01 [-GTN-]Demorian: "that was good."
03:14:59 [PS]Selvarian: "I agree with that sentiment, H@V, and I must say that is the longest and most accurate sentence I've ever seen coming from you. )"
03:19:59 [-Di-]Quiic: "i cocur"
03:20:10 [-Di-]Quiic: "er concur"
* [-GTN-]Demorian gives [PS]Selvarian an odd look.
* [PS]-mac- grins
03:15:52 [PS]Selvarian: "I think we understand where you are coming from."
03:16:21 [PS]Selvarian: "I hope that your concerns will be addressed appropriately as time goes on."
03:21:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "problem is each day apears worse things"
03:16:52 [PS]Selvarian: "H@V -> IE, I think it came from the heart."
03:21:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "each day mean lost of customers"
03:21:43 [-GTN-]Demorian: "aye, ditto what Selv said"
03:22:06 [-Di-]Quiic: "actually dward ive helped 5 ppl sign up in the last 2 days"
03:17:47 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, we have definitely had not an insignificant amount of turnover."
03:23:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "quiic i cant count how many people i helped to sign to DS"
03:23:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "so i cant argue"
03:23:21 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Well, I would just like to thank Dwarden for your time and effort, and say, hope you will stick the tough times out with us..."
03:19:06 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. I also want to take a moment to congratulate and welcome our newest moderator: Quiic."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "personally i 'm waiting on WIPE of moderators before i decide to return"
03:19:32 [PS]Selvarian: "I just hope he doesn't figure out too quiickly what he has gotten himself into."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "I understand."
03:24:28 [-Di-]Quiic: "I knew before I started I think."
03:19:59 [PS]Selvarian: "Hmmm. Freudian slip there."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "it was form of protest"
03:25:02 [-Di-]Quiic: "Thanks"
* [-GTN-]Demorian gives [PS]Selvarian an odd look.
* [PS]-mac- whispered "In concert with the current topic, Dwarden expressed concern over delay on the removal of all Mods, as discussed previously ... and in strengthening our role in assuring Mods don't just flaunt the fact they are Mods, but makle a positive contribution to DS (ie. sitting in lobby not helping ppl, etc etc ...)"
03:21:39 [PS]Selvarian: "I also want everyone to know that I spoke with Faustus about the circumstances surrounding his promotion, and Faustus did it on his own consideration."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "so what are u doing with all these problems with mods?"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "I'm getting to that."
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "So, is that what will happen for everyone that wants mod status? *wink*wink*"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "hehe , now i'm like watchdog - i'm yellow and sharp , but i want be WHITE and Sharper "
03:23:18 [PS]Selvarian: "However, I expressed concern over the issue of circumvention of the processes that we are instituting, and Faustus agreed that it was not proper and has agreed to not do so again."
03:23:29 [PS]Selvarian: "At least without consulting us first. )"
03:28:51 [PS]-mac-: "bad boy. (sorry, couldn't resist "
03:29:24 [-GTN-]Demorian: "hey Selv, did you mention the testless releases too?"
03:25:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Any questions or comments before we move on? (Yes, Dem, that is next topic)"
03:30:11 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "has a topic list been posted?"
03:25:46 [PS]Selvarian: "No, I am working from an ad-hoc one here."
03:30:22 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "i crahsed once so i may have missed it"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "Hey i got idea for discussion with Faustus, i want aspire on official tester (visible status for everyone around "
03:30:37 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "rgr, thanks"
03:30:52 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Looks cut and dried to me."
03:26:22 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Next topic: the short beta cycle."
03:31:21 [-GTN-]Demorian: "*waves little flag in air* yay"
03:26:51 [PS]Selvarian: "I spoke with Faustus last Friday after the release at length."
03:27:31 [PS]Selvarian: "I expressed concerns about the problem and how it is undermining the credibility of the game and us as a community."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "btw havoc have from me looong list of critical DS issues u can ask him about ..."
03:28:26 [PS]Selvarian: "We can't keep telling people that we are following commonly accepted development procedures and then not follow them; it makes us into laughing stocks at best and liars at worst."
* [-GTN-]Demorian nods at [PS]Selvarian.
03:34:15 [DI]H@VOC: "I agree 100%"
03:29:42 [PS]Selvarian: "He cited several plausible development reasons why he felt like it was appropriate, and, on the surface, I agreed, BUT the issue still remains."
* [ C `] Dwarden Sent "so what about official testers "
03:30:06 [PS]Selvarian: "I think Faustus suffers from a little bit of ivory-tower-itie."
03:30:13 [PS]Selvarian: "itis"
03:30:55 [PS]Selvarian: "IE, the consequences of a broken development cycle are not very real or present when you are cloistered working on the latest bug."
03:32:04 [PS]Selvarian: "Also, as can be expected with creative, talented developers, "new features" sometimes get an undeserved higher priority than critical infrastructure or maintenance issues."
03:33:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyway, I don't want to turn this into an analysis of Faustus' development style, but I just wanted to point out that we all need to make the issues as visible as possible to him."
03:33:53 [PS]Selvarian: "I am working towards providing all of us with the tools to do it as easily and visibly as possible."
03:39:03 Taelron: ". /mute ?"
03:34:40 [PS]Selvarian: "..and many other items like it."
03:35:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Not so much the implementation of those things, but ways to make the lack of them visibile."
03:36:15 [PS]Selvarian: "Questions about the release? I have one or two: What do you all think of it? Overall, is it better/worse than the previous one?"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "re: Warpath ... I adjusted his ban earlier (about 3pm pst) to be a total of 24hrs from Taelron's original ban ... not 26 as he (Warpath) states it to be"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Cool. Thanks."
03:41:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "better with last patches, but there is lot of BUT"
03:41:27 Taelron: "so far i havent seen any issues with it... "
03:41:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "and bugs ..."
03:41:43 Taelron: "but i havent had much play time on servers due to issues"
03:42:03 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Overall good, but I have not experienced any real improvements for the K'luth."
03:42:06 [PS]-mac-: "It's getting better, but still has a ways to go"
03:42:32 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "its good... but the ICC dreads could use a weapon makeover..."
03:42:32 [-[A]-]|2eason: "I wish that F5 would not have turned into f4, click on the little profile button....etc..."
03:42:44 Taelron: "the kluth def bases does give them a leg up on holding planets.."
03:43:03 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "agreed Taelron"
03:38:34 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. The main thing I wanted to find out is if we have at least seen a turnaround in the declining quality of releases. Barring new features, has this been a better release than 1.3?"
03:43:28 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "YES!"
03:43:28 Taelron: "i think so..."
03:43:30 [-Di-]Quiic: " I think so"
03:43:40 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "yup"
03:44:02 [-GTN-]Demorian: "ooooooooo hell ya"
03:44:04 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Well, I havn't seen anything as bad as the Ubber-ships yet... "
03:39:36 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. At least there is a silver lining in the overall cloud."
03:44:18 [-GTN-]Demorian: "just the question is: how the HECK do we get building prestige now? ;P"
03:44:19 [PS]-mac-: "yes, definitely"
03:44:22 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "With the release of 1.3 the k'luth got the short end of the stick, with this release, the k'luths new toy is available for all, so I'm not sure."
03:44:23 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "reason, i have, uber Mandible dreads"
03:44:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "i already said yes"
03:44:44 Taelron: "if an engy ship builds you get pres, if you remote build you get very little"
03:44:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "Ragond i think this problem with uber ships will be solved ASAP"
03:44:51 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Lith, that was from 1.3....Not 1.4, "
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "will there ever be a change with the weapons on the ICC Combat Dread.... I personally just think that it is a beefed up version of the missile dread... i think it should be a little more like the Battle Dread..."
03:45:29 Taelron: "yes, the ELF was suppose to be for kluth only, and its not... it has gone from being a great new weapon to a bane."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Not sure, but your question is logged."
03:45:50 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "reason, i killed an uber mandy and then the same guy killed me with totaly decked out mandy, took my EAD from about 50% armor to dead in less then 15 seconds"
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "thanx =)"
03:46:10 [-GTN-]Demorian: "guys, i must take an early exit - i will read the transcript later!"
* [-GTN-]Demorian whispered "remember to give an update on the mod selection process - how we're going to continue with it, etc, the current candidates, blah......i'm gone"
03:46:37 [-[FE]-]Maggot: "stability seems worse to me, lockups, CTD's don't know if it 1.4 or server/net issues"
03:46:40 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Yes Lith, it needs some fixing, but it was implimented in 1.3, not 1.4..."
03:42:16 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. I am just concerned about the view from the 10,000-foot level. I know that there are still a TUN of issues, as the release still was NOT properly tested an balanced before release."
03:47:23 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "please define the 10,000 foot level?"
03:47:23 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yes, it needs testing...."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "any idea what the ddeml.de servers are?"
03:47:44 Taelron: "he means over all looking down"
03:47:48 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "on the 10k foot level? well, i can still see all the CTDs that occur every 3 times i log in/am in a game"
03:43:16 [PS]Selvarian: "IE, general observations, not specific items/problems."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "err rather WHY they are?"
03:47:57 [-GTN-]Raiders: "the updater needs fixed so ppl will test "
03:48:33 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "agreed Raiders, that is a huge drawback for many"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Nope. Saw 'em, but I have no idea whose they are."
03:49:26 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "When new people enter into the game, they are inundated with update problems"
03:50:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "@Totem i must told u this, U cant see CHIMERA UGTO ship in other way as that user joined my clan as UGTO (and his ship stay until he die)"
03:50:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "my clan not changed side since it was established"
03:45:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, the beta testing system needs to be completely revamped."
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "http://www.darkspace.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?topic=5981&forum=2&7"
03:46:22 [PS]Selvarian: "That is going to be a goal added to Faustus' list going forward towards 1.5."
03:51:02 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "If one was to start a priority list again, I would say that the first order of business is the installer/updater."
03:51:25 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Make it easy to get in first!"
03:51:25 [PS]-mac-: "Hmm. Let's assign 6 mods to beta test for 1 week at a time ... heh"
03:51:35 [-GTN-]Lith Ragond: "lol dwarden, if he is on ICC and has UGTO ship he should imediately gate it"
03:51:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "aLPHA test (phase zero)- scenario beta test (Phase one) - MV beta test (phase two) - special tester server with ladder on (official testers - phase three) - release"
03:47:26 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep."
03:52:03 [-GTN-]Raiders: "yes il shut up after this but i am seeing more and more icc or kluth ships on each others faction probebly ugto to but havent seen any"
03:48:08 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. The next topic I want to bring up is the overall condition of our community."
03:53:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "Ragond no i say how its possible, i never saw my member in UGTO ship (only 2 in Kluth dread, both were moving to ERI to swap)"
03:49:01 [PS]Selvarian: "Even with the advent of the latest release, we are seeing a significant morale issue with the game staff."
03:53:38 Taelron: "growing pains... recent influx of new players mixing with some older disgruntled ones is causing many to think its ok to skirt the rules"
03:49:48 [PS]Selvarian: "I am looking at ways to try and increase our morale significantly, and I invite all of you to help me out."
03:54:49 [-Di-]Quiic: " I suggest Taking down the scenario server"
03:55:06 [-Di-]Quiic: " if you think it through it would really help out alot"
03:55:09 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "where will the newbs go then?"
03:50:36 [PS]Selvarian: "(also, I have a bad habit of saying "I" when I mean "we as the admins/PaleStar staff")"
03:55:24 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Tried it in Beta, IE, The Crankshaft Scenario server went up, "
03:55:27 [-Di-]Quiic: " same place everyone else will be at"
03:55:37 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yeah, logged off quiic"
03:55:45 [-Di-]Quiic: " in the metaverse"
03:51:52 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I am looking for solutions for staff morale, primarily. Of course, increasing player morale may induce that through the natural process of less bellyaching. )"
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. announces that there is a party at my place tonight.... all Dark Space staff are invited... free beer and nachos for all! (hows that for morale?!)
03:56:41 [-Di-]Quiic: " Reason the reason.. we have been losing ppl is because of empty servers"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "there needs to be a better newbie initiation"
03:57:10 [-Di-]Quiic: "Its the best way I can think of I do have a business degree and all... But maybe im dumb"
03:52:42 [PS]Selvarian: "I am looking at some of my ideas from my LARP days to increase staff morale."
03:57:29 [-[A]-]|2eason: "If we try to force everyone into the metaverse, it wont help out the Empty server issue..."
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "there first view of DS is the lobby, and that is not always a positive happening"
03:57:54 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "what about bennies?"
03:57:57 [-[FE]-]Maggot: "the MV is not as fun anymore, intead of 99% of my time in the MV it's 60% of my time in n00b server"
03:53:24 [PS]Selvarian: "One thing that I think helps is to recognize specific significant achievements of staff members."
03:58:01 [-Di-]Quiic: " im sure there can be a meeting ground between this"
03:58:03 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "not kidding..."
03:58:43 [-[A]-]|2eason: "ok quiic, we are getting off topic....lets hold it for a sec...."
03:59:19 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "im getting to the point where i am starting to hate the MV... way to much lag! (for us 56k'ers).... half the time i can't even move... or if i do move... i end up dead in about a few min.... forcing us into the MV would be a bad idea (at least i think so)"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "I would suggest a newbie lobby, I'm sure you can follow my drift here, where the general population is not likely to be."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "afk for a few mins - I'll catch up"
03:59:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes i agree something is wrong with quality of lines on playnet"
04:00:16 [-Di-]Quiic: " im not saying right now guys well I guess my idea has some flaws at the moment because of bad server palcement"
03:55:43 [PS]Selvarian: "While I thank the Stars each and every day having all of you guys around to wear the mantle, I think that there are many of you that, at times, go above and neyond the call of duty. I think that should be recognized and rewarded with such, at the very least."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Yep. That is one of the suggestions we have made in past discussions."
04:01:08 [-Di-]Quiic: " do you guys think we would have better moral from players if we ran more in game events?"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "OK"
* [DI]H@VOC gives [PS]Selvarian a great big hug...
04:01:48 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i do"
04:01:57 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "tourneys... and the like"
04:02:09 [-[A]-]|2eason: "tourneys would be interesting..."
04:02:14 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "with prizes... like extra bonus prestige "
04:02:15 Taelron: "i tried to drum up support a while back for clan wars but got very little support from the community"
04:02:18 [-Di-]Quiic: " I can voulenteer some of my time if we could plan something good"
03:57:44 [PS]Selvarian: "So, I am thinking that the admins will begin posting some of these items after the weekly admin meeting."
04:02:19 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "yea"
04:02:20 [-GTN-]Raiders: "bring clan wars back"
04:02:22 Taelron: "only like 5 ppl responded"
04:02:24 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "yep"
04:02:28 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "and credits"
04:02:37 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "clan wars would roxor!"
04:02:39 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "yes raiders"
* [-[A]-]|2eason slaps [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. in the head...
03:58:23 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. We seem to be having two discussions here. One about staff morale and one about player morale."
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
04:03:28 [-Di-]Quiic: " got some good servers for it also if you guys could help out and making it an inner clan war say lke UGTO clans vs ICC clans and thinsg liek that would be fune so it wouldnt limit it to a certain amount of players"
04:03:30 Taelron: "staff are players too.. but true, which one should we address first?"
03:58:59 [PS]Selvarian: "Let's stick to and finish one topic before we work on another."
* [-[A]-]AgentFritz whispered "is it ok if I say something??"
04:03:48 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "well... if staff was organizing good player moral then every bit of morale would rise"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "If you can increse the player morale, the staff morale will soon follow"
03:59:19 [PS]Selvarian: "I agree."
04:04:04 Taelron: "the staff if in bad mood could bring down the game for the players.... the players in a bad mood could make it bad for the mods... its a circle, but how do we break it...."
03:59:35 [PS]Selvarian: "However, I want to tackle ONE issue at a time."
* [-GTN-]Totem whispered "go on give the mods free acounts "
04:04:24 [-Di-]Quiic: " oh sorry I thought we were talking about player moral"
03:59:56 [PS]Selvarian: "No. Staff morale."
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Not up to me."
04:04:54 [-Di-]Quiic: " sorry =-( *sits in his corner"
04:05:09 Taelron: "honestly i think by improving the player moral that will take the stress level off the mods... and that will make things better for us"
04:05:26 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "staff benifits..."
04:00:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, I agree. However, I don't think that would/should be the end of it."
04:05:46 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "not sure what to offer... but something"
04:05:55 Taelron: "we had benifits, but a few bad apples ruined it... Monsters.... "
04:06:22 [DI]H@VOC: "Blond Blue Eyes hey good start "
04:06:22 Taelron: "if you grant the staff to many perks it could alienate the players such as us in monsters did..."
04:02:08 [PS]Selvarian: "What was that, H@V?"
04:06:44 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "aye"
04:07:06 [DI]H@VOC: "just typeing aloud "
04:07:09 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "like I said.. I am not sure what to offer... but I am sure there is something that could help"
04:07:10 [-GTN-]Raiders: "perks silly"
04:07:35 [DI]H@VOC: "discounts would be a real good start"
04:03:09 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I think that recognition of good work and accomplishments is very important."
04:03:33 [PS]Selvarian: "No one likes to feel that their contributions are ignored, or worse, unappreciated."
04:08:35 [-GTN-]Raiders: "like something in the news or in the MFF"
04:08:36 [DI]H@VOC: "SO true"
04:09:02 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "good idea raiders... "
04:04:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I will do some further thinking on it. If you all have any ideas, don't hesitate to send them my way."
04:05:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Now, then, as for players... First, I want to make a few observations."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "How's the site coming along, btw?"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Had to pause work for a few days to slam out a customer site. Am planning to get back to work on it imminently, though."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "ok"
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "do you spend much time in game.... that would give you more of an idea of how we react in game with other players"
04:06:44 [PS]Selvarian: "DarkSpace started out as essentially a simple space combat simulator (ie, the Scenarios)"
* [+M+]Tracker has entered the room...
04:07:34 [PS]Selvarian: "It has had major embellishments and is currently undergoing a planned metamorphosis into a MMOG."
04:08:11 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that the scenarios are incongruous with the direction that DS is heading in. At least, without a purpose."
04:08:32 [PS]Selvarian: "The scenarios detract from the MV; the MV detracts from the scenarios."
04:13:12 [-Di-]Quiic: " I agree"
04:13:15 Taelron: "honestly until missions are implemented in the mv we need the scenarios"
04:08:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, that is sorta where I am driving."
04:09:26 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that we should start using the scenarios in a planned way, much like the missions will be used."
04:14:23 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "how so?"
04:14:24 Taelron: "and if you want even new players to feel safe to transit the MV, we need to cap max def bases on planets, or raise their cost and power consumption... i hear complaints of planets at gates with 17 + def bases"
04:10:55 [PS]Selvarian: "Instead of just leaving the scenario servers up, we need to only have them available for tournaments, clan wars, special occasions. Of course, I think that they should be employed regularly."
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "i once was killed by a planet's defenses near the gate... dictor base.... about 18-19 base def... can you do anything about these "death stars""
* [-[A]-]AgentFritz whispered "I personally would like to see a active storyline in the background of the metaverse"
04:16:34 [-GTN-]Raiders: "think that will just cause alot of old players to leave"
04:12:11 [PS]Selvarian: "I still think that we either need a dedicated newbie scenario server or maybe a smaller MV with a rank/ship cap so that newbies can get the "feel" of the game."
04:16:52 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "I agree with Raiders"
04:16:53 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i agree"
04:17:06 Taelron: "I would love to see weekly special events, tourneys, player made maps hosted, etc... but until the MV is newbiefied, forcing the newer players to their death will not go over well"
04:17:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "i have another suggestion"
04:17:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "fully separate MV and Scenario"
04:17:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "MV get own profile system"
04:17:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "scenario is for these who want mostly instant action"
04:17:48 [PS]-mac-: "hmm that's a big undertaking"
* [-Di-]Quiic Sent "new topic fixing the DS server so it can be controlled romotely"
04:18:08 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "what about pres gain"
04:18:34 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i dont want to go to MV when there is 3 ppl in each sys... and 30 on S1... you know?"
04:18:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "Neo"
04:18:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "with MV just starting from ZERO"
04:19:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "it will be more populated"
04:19:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "no dreads long time"
04:19:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "fair to new fair to old"
04:19:31 [-[A]-]|2eason: "hmmm, interesting idea Dward....very interesting..."
04:19:31 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "aye.... "
04:19:40 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "good point"
04:19:50 Taelron: "slow the mv's credit production... or dreads will be in the mv in minutes"
* [-GTN-]NeoViper shuts up and thinks
04:20:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "also i really miss that in MV (and maybe scenario maybe) is rank system equal for each faction"
04:20:04 [PS]-mac-: "although, all that it would take is getting another metaserver set up"
04:20:13 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "it is interesting but......we did this allready when the game went gold why do it again?"
04:20:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "why ICC aDmiral must be UGTO admiral ?"
04:20:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "Challenger1 thats no reset"
04:20:30 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Dreads are the lest of my worries in the MV, its the killer planets that are a problem."
04:20:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "its game Evolve ..."
04:20:40 Taelron: "but we also have to look at the roll of the mv, its suppose to be a persistant world, so a reset now would help for starts, but what about those new players in 6 months... they are dead"
04:20:57 [-GTN-]Raiders: "we are all paying for our pres i wouldnt be happy with any kind of reset"
04:21:08 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "agreed Taelron"
04:21:22 [-Di-]Quiic: " a MV reset would be good"
04:21:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st of all i hate that now u can gain rank easy AS ugto, to get then best Kluth ship"
04:21:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "each faction needs to have own independent ladder system"
04:21:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "that mean 3 games in one"
04:22:11 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "but if I am GTN I can only play UGTO in MV"
04:22:16 Taelron: "think of it as a defection, i make captain in utgo and decided I want to defect to the ICC and bring my ship... i should be a captain there then too"
04:17:56 [PS]Selvarian: "well, something I would like to point out is that everyone is REALLY paying to play the game and have fun. If a prestige reset would accomplish this, then I think it would be a good thing."
04:22:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "Talron then u cant return because UGTO government degraded u "
04:23:20 Taelron: "lol i return i would be shot as a traitor, but gotta simplify things for game play hehe"
04:23:27 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Well, As far as I see it, since the MV and Scenario server detract from each other, Something that should be changes is the maps, The metaverse should be one huge system, and the Scenario servers should be outshoots from the metaverse, that would be there for missions, ie, you get a mission in the metaverse, head on over the the system that connects to the Scenario server, and work out the mission. I know it seems like adding more the the metaverse, but at least there would be a role for"
04:23:33 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "but a pres reset will cause people to leave....Like Myself Selvarian"
04:23:34 [-GTN-]Raiders: "having fun means having ppl to play against how many would be lost if just from frusration"
04:23:41 [-[A]-]|2eason: "let me know if anything got cut off, should end at scenario servers"
04:19:07 [PS]Selvarian: "$10/month is the price of admission, not the price of 1,000 prestige points."
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "prestige reset! plz no.... i worked hard for my rank and badges! =)"
04:24:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "Chalenger u want say u need to have dread to have fun /"
04:24:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "?"
04:24:15 Taelron: "something needs to be done for the MV to make them more of a long range thing... right now in a scenario you can build up in an hour... same with the mv, mv should take longer and needs better balancing on the planet side"
04:24:27 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "no but i pay to have fun and going to 0 pres means no fun for me so my alterneative would be to leave"
04:24:40 [-IMO-]BadAndy88: "i think u should have a pres reset only when a certain amount of ppl reach top rank"
04:24:41 [+M+]Tracker: "Selvarian, if you reset the prestige, everyone leaves. Its not worth my time to get all those badges again, just to risk being reset again."
04:24:42 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "no i do not need a dread to have fun"
04:24:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "why reset is for u no fun ?"
04:24:57 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i have spent so much time working at my pres..... "
04:25:00 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "im not allways in a dread dont put me in that "group of people""
04:25:04 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st of all COMPLETE prestige tables are screwed"
04:25:10 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "04:23:27 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Well, As far as I see it, since .....and work out the mission. I know it seems like adding more the the metaverse, but at least there would be a role for""
04:25:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "we have here so many exploiters that i not belive ranking system"
04:25:18 [-GTN-]Raiders: "no but having earned it i dont want to have to start over for no real reason"
04:25:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "ranking link is just type of joke"
04:25:43 [-[A]-]|2eason: "thanks Dark..."
04:21:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Tracker -> I don't think "everyone" would leave."
04:25:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "thats why exploits really need remove then prestige reset is only way to clear all"
04:25:53 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "right i agree raiders"
04:25:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "WHO thinks he cant alive reset then he will leave"
04:26:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i think actually DS left more people as we have because of OLD exploiters"
04:21:46 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if there is a REAL reason, would it be worth it?"
04:26:20 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i lived through plenty in beta"
04:26:22 [+M+]Tracker: "Selvarian. I know at least 8 of the top 20 would leave."
04:26:29 [+M+]Tracker: "And that is guaranteed."
04:26:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "which of course will protest against any prestige nerf"
04:26:32 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "but it was not costing me $"
04:26:47 [-[A]-]|2eason: "head on over the the system that connects to the Scenario server, and work out the mission. I know it seems like adding more the the metaverse, but at least there would be a role for the scenario servers"
04:27:22 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "well bottome line is we reset i leave and im telling you im not the only one that will.......if i8 was a exploiter obviously i wouldnt think of leaving because i could exploit again........the point is i pay money for a game so dont reset my accomplishments it is a waste of money"
04:27:23 [+M+]Tracker: "When has Diablo2 deleted all the player characters? or everquest compeltely wiped their database?"
04:27:25 [-GTN-]Raiders: "it depends on what you consider real i dont think stepping down to the lowest denominator is a good enough reason"
04:27:54 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I would stay if there was a reset, its not the goal that is fun, but the road to it that I like."
04:23:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Diablo 2 resets parts of the ladder all the time to fix exploiters and such."
04:28:19 [+M+]Tracker: "They Reset the LADDER, but they don't delete the characters."
04:28:23 [-IMO-]BadAndy88: "well EQ and D2 both have a user datbase that womps on this games so not many ppl get that high"
04:28:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "Challenger SO u will argue with style i want my prestige NO matter how game loose people"
04:23:53 [PS]Selvarian: "They also radically rebalance the game to make high-level characters' abilities more tame."
04:28:31 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "and UO.. and EQ"
04:28:32 [-IMO-]BadAndy88: "i know i play both of them"
04:28:50 [-IMO-]BadAndy88: "ya"
04:28:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "well in all i think DB need radical reset but it seems some people are unable alive that"
04:29:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "SO who here leave when prestige reset will be needed to save DS ?"
04:29:16 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "well people wouldnt exploit if they liked your game so how about we deal with making it a better enviroment instead of stripping its guts and starting over because the problem will rise up later"
04:24:45 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, this is not the first time this discussion has come up."
04:29:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "= NOT"
04:29:22 [+M+]Tracker: "Right now how many active players are there? 200? 250 at the most? Reset the player files and it drops to 150 or less."
04:29:41 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "YES ill leave"
04:29:44 [-GTN-]Raiders: "is correcting a few ppls pres worth resetting everyones? i think not"
04:25:12 [PS]Selvarian: "925 active, paying subscribers."
04:29:50 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "wont be the last either"
04:30:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "Challenger who like game and not his "lol" bla bla bla Stats will alive any reset"
04:25:55 [PS]Selvarian: "..according to the latest PlayNet numbers, which have about a 95-99% confidence interval now."
04:30:32 SH9: "reset only for advanced players & give them totally new server with new ships,senerios & missions"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer sure wishes the counter would reflect that.
04:26:40 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, any rate. A prestige reset won't do much for player morale, that's for sure, so let's move on."
* Taelron agreed Selv.
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "but SOMETHING must hapening"
04:31:37 [-[A]-]AgentFritz: "*cough*"
04:31:44 [-IMO-]BadAndy88: "I agree with SH9 give the ppl who have too be reseted a advantage of being so"
* [-GTN-]NeoViper begins applauding [PS]Selvarian...
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "as i SAID split MV from Scenario, thats NOT reset ITS new game feature"
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "did you read my idea? I didn't get any feedback,  "
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "and nobody can protest because its new database "
* [-GTN-]NeoViper whispered "that got heated in a hurry"
* [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer whispered "are we still on player morale though?"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Yeah, but it got lost in the torrent of anti-prestige sentiment."
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "It is crap like that, that pisses me off, "
04:28:39 [PS]Selvarian: "The current topic is player morale, and I think Reason summed up where I was going in his suggestion."
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "at least you read it, lol"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "player morale is constantly kicked out by EXPLOITERs/CHEATERs and lamers"
04:34:14 [+M+]Tracker: "Eri Ladder is off"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "nobody will play on server where is 10 dreads ganguping over poor noobs"
04:34:45 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Yes, Reason ahd a good thought going there"
04:34:55 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "had even"
04:30:45 [PS]Selvarian: "While I think that having some sort of "newbie playground" is a necessary thing, hence keeping the newbie scenario server, I think that the open scenario servers should be reserved for events/missions/tournaments, etc. I know that some of you may be pained by this, but the MV is the future of DS, NOT the Scenario servers."
04:36:13 [-[A]-]AgentGerbil.: "forgive my interruption... but um... is there any way to make the MV less "laggy""
04:31:43 [PS]Selvarian: "Once missions come about, I think that Faustus is going to kill off the Scenario server code completely."
04:36:27 [-Di-]Quiic: "what about a newbie haven until you get to a certain rank"
* [PS]-mac- whispered "will take care of Eri"
04:36:31 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Well, I think the Scenario servers will be "phased" into the MV...."
04:36:38 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "However, the newbie servers shouldn't be used as a playground for the more experienced players"
04:36:51 [-GTN-]Raiders: "1 MV is to small for all the reg players to be on constantly 2 isnt stable enough for it either"
04:32:23 [PS]Selvarian: "Agreed."
04:32:41 [PS]Selvarian: "DW-> Agreed, that is."
04:33:26 [PS]Selvarian: "Raiders -> I don't know that I agree with #1, as for #2, stability will (should) improve over time."
04:34:25 [PS]Selvarian: "However, I would like experienced players to offer to help new players learn the "ropes", teaching them effective tactics and strategies."
* [+M+]Tracker has entered the room...
04:39:26 SH9: "I SECOND THAT"
04:39:55 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Perhaps clan leaders should be the ones to help in the newbie servers."
04:35:23 [PS]Selvarian: "I see that as a staff function, but I don't think it is or should be exclusively a staff function."
04:40:04 [-GTN-]Challenger1: "Sel thats fine and agree but where we going to be able to do that if "experienced" people cant get into their servers?"
04:40:30 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Sign up for it...."
04:35:58 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I was addressing the potentiality. Making it real is a separate issue."
04:40:49 [-[A]-]|2eason: "volonteer, and get a special little "newbie helpers" pass from the admins, "
04:40:55 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "lol"
04:41:04 [-[A]-]|2eason: "blah, excuse my spelling, "
04:41:12 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "volunteers... on a training server... i would "
04:36:37 [PS]Selvarian: "Just about everything we're talking about here is going to require development."
04:37:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Everything except just whacking the open Scenario server, and having tournaments on it, that is."
04:41:47 [-[A]-]|2eason: "yep..."
04:37:28 [PS]Selvarian: "The latter part could be done fairly easily."
04:42:20 Decorius: "Allow only players under a fixed pres to play on Newbie server, have MODs on Newbie server. Allow exp players bonus of x number of pres or medal for each hour teaching on Newbie"
04:37:51 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Anyway, we've had a good discussion on this and I think we have some ideas to explore."
04:43:04 [-[A]-]|2eason: "No, not prestige, a little "newbie Helper" badge for their portfolio, "
04:38:43 [PS]Selvarian: ""official flight trainer" status. )"
04:43:22 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i want credits"
04:43:27 [-GTN-]Raiders: "well we do need more badges...."
04:43:31 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "=)"
04:43:47 Taelron: "i would like to see more badges...."
04:44:01 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I want to see more people in Dark Space."
04:44:08 Taelron: "i have been on newbie teach newer players, i lost like 30 pres doing so though..."
04:44:14 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "me too."
04:39:49 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Let's move on to the next topic... trusted server status/accounts."
04:44:41 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Personally, I would like to see badges that are BAD as well as good, then people can lose prestige as well as gain it back...."
04:45:17 [-[A]-]|2eason: "like, you kill 10 gaifen in a row, and then you have to let them kill you 20 to get rid of the badge, "
04:40:45 [PS]Selvarian: "We (admins/PaleStar) are working on requirements and a process for requesting and approving trusted server accounts."
04:45:25 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "hehe, I do that anyway, everytime i lose a dread"
* [-[A]-]AgentGerbil. whispered "maybe a friendly fire badge? =)"
04:46:32 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Also, if you gain bad badges, you lose your ability to gain FULL prestige while on a server, unless you complete the requirements to get rid of the negative badges..."
04:42:07 [PS]Selvarian: "Any input about the concept to help shape the policies would be greatly appreciated."
04:46:46 [-[A]-]|2eason: "ok, enough of that, Go ahead Selv..."
04:42:13 [PS]Selvarian: "YO! Topic change!"
04:47:01 [-[A]-]|2eason: ":)"
04:47:03 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "What have you got so far, Selv?"
04:42:47 [PS]Selvarian: "mac, do you have the list of requirements so far?"
04:48:03 [PS]-mac-: "one sec ..."
04:43:48 [PS]Selvarian: "I believe they include minimum bandwidth / machine size/speed, connection type, etc."
04:48:47 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "that should be a given"
04:48:49 [PS]-mac-: "Minimum up/down speeds (coupled with CPU speed:user ratio), link type, etc."
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "how many more topics? I have to go soon..."
04:44:43 [PS]Selvarian: "Also, with restrictions about the type of maps that will be allowed."
04:49:28 [PS]-mac-: "also maps - what do we allow or disallow"
04:49:35 [PS]-mac-: "heheh quit that "
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "A couple more, I promise."
04:45:19 [PS]Selvarian: "hehe quit that ")"
* [-GTN-]NeoViper slaps [-GTN-]Raiders in the head...
* [-[A]-]|2eason whispered "k, sorry for that random topic there, I wanted to spit it all out quick, and then it got long..., "
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "No problem"
04:50:32 [-GTN-]Raiders: "I know your down on senerios but is there anything in the works for some new maps on n00b/playnet"
04:50:35 [PS]-mac-: "That's about it ... anything else we should look at?"
04:50:59 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "look at me..."
04:51:03 [-[A]-]|2eason: "Wow, finally someone else that wants new maps..."
04:51:11 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I take it, trusted servers can't MV?"
04:46:55 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that the staff should have some input into the process as well. IE, any concerns over the capability / maturity of server ops need to be considered."
04:51:33 [-GTN-]Raiders: "for a looooong time now "
04:52:00 [PS]-mac-: "right"
04:52:01 [H.A.]BenGowdy: "Im I allowed to be here listening in?"
04:47:45 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, Ben"
04:52:54 [H.A.]BenGowdy: "Cool. Im a mod maker myself so Im interested in the process."
04:48:24 [PS]Selvarian: "It is possible to have non-palestar MVs, but I think that those will need special attention and permission."
04:53:32 [-[A]-]|2eason: "g2g guys, will try to read the transcript.......later"
04:53:40 [PS]-mac-: "One other thing we may want to consider is, if the admin of the server requesting trusted status has a bad record of behavior, do we allow the server"
04:53:43 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "ok, so generally trusted servers will run Scenario's"
* [DI]H@VOC whispered "I have a mod maker not making a map pack to submit to PS "
04:49:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Eventually, I think it is Faustus' plan to allow players to put up a dedicated system in the MV that is trusted and can act as a home system for their clan."
04:54:15 [-Di-]Quiic: "I would say no"
04:54:17 [-GTN-]Raiders: "if they want ppl they need to be trusted thats the bottom line"
04:49:52 [PS]Selvarian: "Since Scenario servers will eventually be going away, that it."
04:49:53 [PS]Selvarian: "is"
04:54:31 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I think their behavior should be considered in their application for a trusted server"
04:54:37 Taelron: "that would be good if its stable"
04:55:00 Taelron: "i agree dark"
04:55:33 [-GTN-]Raiders: "has the process for being a trusted server gone down recently? seeing alot more now"
04:55:59 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "I believe it has been relaxed temporarily"
04:56:14 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "as a test"
04:51:42 [PS]Selvarian: "I don't know. I think Faustus is handling it ad-hoc, but I have been talking with him about it, and we shouldn't have any more new ones until we hammer out the process."
04:56:27 [PS]-mac-: "it's ad-hoc right now, Raiders - no set procedure yet. We've been trusting them on a case-by-case vasis"
04:56:38 [PS]-mac-: "*basis"
04:52:32 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Well, like I said, any feedback going forward would be greatly appreciated."
04:57:05 [PS]-mac-: "hmm I'm starting to sound like you Selv ... gads "
04:52:48 [PS]Selvarian: "You say that like it is a BAD thing....."
04:57:35 [PS]-mac-: "no comment "
04:57:35 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "So far I see that you guys are on the right track"
04:53:07 [PS]Selvarian: "Next topic: removing old mods."
04:58:02 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "hehe, define OLD"
04:53:47 [PS]Selvarian: "We hashed out a quick and dirty way to do the inactive mod purge that we have been talking about for ages."
04:58:49 [DI]H@VOC: "ANd?"
04:58:51 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "30 years old +"
04:58:55 Taelron: "still not done?"
04:59:04 [DI]H@VOC: "im out "
04:59:10 [-GTN-]Raiders: "just selv i say"
04:59:15 [-GTN-]Raiders: ":)"
04:54:44 [PS]Selvarian: "I am going to post a message in the PMF that I want everyone who wants to remain a mod to post to. I also want to know what responsibilities / roles you believe you perform as a mod, and I would like to know about your basica availability."
04:59:40 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "Nothing is more silent than the sound of hair turning gray."
04:55:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Most of this will end up in the staff site anyway, but we need to go ahead and move forward with this now, as it is impeding progress towards finalizing our organization."
05:01:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "u just removing all mods "
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "... ?"
05:01:57 SH9: "how about player input( i.e.vote)"
04:57:46 [PS]Selvarian: "Right before the admin meeting next Sunday, all mods who have not responded will be returned to the player pool. However, this does not necessarily mean a demotion. If a mod doesn't respond in time and is cut, they can explain and request to be restored when they return."
05:02:43 [-GTN-]Raiders: "before culling current mods shouldnt all the dead mod accounts be sorted through"
04:58:10 [PS]Selvarian: "It's just a bookkeeping measure"
05:02:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "gah"
05:03:09 Taelron: "why not a purge of the accounts that have not been used in like 10 months?"
05:03:21 [H.A.]BenGowdy: "Where do you apply for being a mod?"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "thats not way i wanted u do that, ONLY moderator can post in PMF"
04:58:46 [PS]Selvarian: "I will be unflagging all mods who don't respond, including ones who haven't been on in ages."
05:03:38 [PS]-mac-: "Accounts don't have a timestamp Taelron - no idea who last logged on when"
05:03:41 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "or since the final release"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Nope, you are wrong."
04:59:18 [PS]Selvarian: "mac -> yep."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "what i mean was remove moderators and they will notice they cant post, then they must come to u and say i'm here and i do this and this and i want reapply for mod"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "u are wrong, i'm not MOD and i cant post in PMF"
05:04:13 Taelron: "ah ok"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "That is pretty much what is going to happen."
05:04:30 Taelron: "purge them all, let the admins sort them out! no wait!"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "after u remove moderator status, u cant post in PMF anymore"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "That is because you were removed from the PMF access list. It has nothing to do with your mod flag."
* [PS]-mac- whispered "let me know if you need help with the purge - I could take 1/2 the list M-Z, you the other half"
05:05:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "zHURAY"
* [PS]Selvarian whispered "Separate access control"
05:05:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "i just finaly realized what MAC removed"
* [ C `] Dwarden slaps his head ...
05:01:08 [PS]Selvarian: "mac removed your head?"
* [PS]Selvarian is confused.
05:05:54 [PS]-mac-: "heheh"
05:06:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "my access to PMF"
05:06:08 [-GTN-]Raiders: "his mod flag"
05:06:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "no wonder i cant post there"
* Taelron coughs and notes the 2 hour mark...
05:06:56 [PS]-mac-: "You must unresign to get back in there my friend "
05:02:24 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, I know. Anyway. That is the process, so DON'T FORGET to respond, please."
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "gah and HOW i can now reaplly for MOD lol"
05:07:12 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "I have been in here for 2 hours....!"
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "hehe i want respond now "
* [ C `] Dwarden whispered "...crap...i punished myself more as i thought lol"
05:03:37 [PS]Selvarian: "If you find for some reason that you cannot respond, send me a private message with /send or, preferably, via the "Private Message" function in the forums. It's a great underutilized function, as it KEEPS the messages."
05:04:12 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Does anyone else have anything to add in terms of topics/issues that we need to address tonight?"
05:08:57 [-Di-]Quiic: "is there a way to use that in the chat bar?"
05:09:08 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "fighter pres... "
05:04:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Nope. Gotta go to the forums."
* [-GTN-]NeoViper looks around
05:09:18 [DOH-OF]DarkWanderer: "yes a PM in the lobby could be a good thing"
05:09:23 [H.A.]BenGowdy: "Is it ok if I make a suggestion/issue?"
05:09:27 [-Di-]Quiic: "like send private message user id or number"
05:04:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Can't do anything about it, Neo. Faustus has been told and told about it."
05:09:45 [-GTN-]NeoViper: "i know.. I am kidding"
05:05:14 [PS]Selvarian: "He'll fix it when it becomes a sufficient enough priority for him to do so."
05:05:35 [PS]Selvarian: "You can try, Ben."
05:10:17 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "sorry about that"
05:10:20 [-GTN-]Raiders: "he says its a myth"
05:10:23 [Evil]MaDB|otcH: "
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Caitian Defense Corps
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