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European Moderator Meeting Transcript 2002-02-18 |
shadedancer
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BIOnics Industry Syndicate
Joined: July 26, 2001
Posts: 497
From: Hamburg, Germany, Sol-System
|  Posted: 2002-02-18 15:24
Hello Everybody,
here it is, still hot, I think some of the last byte's even left me line when you're reading this... 
Agenda:
1) New Admin
* Samweis will act as 2nd European Admin.
2) Opinion poll on "clans jumping faction"
* No easy solution to be found, mods do suggest the following:
* Clans will be inhibited to change of faction for some longer period.
* Indepedents for a shorter time.
3) Opinion poll on "How to inhibit players who log off intentlionally, not to loose their modified ship config?"
* discussion shows it is a problem.
* Suggestion was worked out, problem is server side or ISP instability may act unfair against indivuals.
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* EVENT: 'European Moderator Meeting' event is starting now...
19:00:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "outch"
19:00:30 [PS]Selvarian: "..and it is winning."
19:00:31 [eXS]Geo: "Was steht heute an?"
19:04:01 [BIS]shadedancer: "ok, just wanted to know whom to spam.... "
19:00:40 [MoA]Bumblebee: "fight on m8 )"
19:00:42 [GER]DrMud: "heya"
* [.Di.]Barthezzz has entered the room...
19:00:43 [~Fed~]Loreman: "HAllo and cu gn8"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
19:00:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "hell"
19:01:01 [PS]Selvarian: "See you later, [~Fed~]Loreman."
19:01:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "i join 3 minutes later"
19:01:10 [ C `] Dwarden: ":("
19:01:15 [PS]Selvarian: "You said it, D"
19:01:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "shame on you  )))"
19:01:33 [MoA]Bumblebee: "dwarden"
19:01:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "i forgot myself in English room"
19:01:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "lol"
19:01:48 [eXS]Geo: "*räusper* "
* [ C `] Dwarden hides in his shame ...
19:01:57 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, go get yourself, he's late"
* [GER]Samweis smiles at [GER]DrMud...
19:02:28 [~Fed~]Loreman: "Nochmal good bey"
19:02:33 [~Fed~]Loreman: "bis morgen"
19:02:41 [MoA]Bumblebee: "cu lore"
19:02:47 [eXS]Geo: "bye nicht bey"
19:03:09 [.Di.]Dragonball: "hello"
19:03:18 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "hi"
19:03:28 [.Di.]Dragonball: "ello ello"
19:03:37 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "ssshhhtt"
19:04:15 [PS]sunshine: "heya mates"
* [.Di.]Barthezzz waves to [PS]sunshine...
19:04:26 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka sunshine"
19:04:29 [.Di.]Dragonball: "hello"
19:04:34 [PS]sunshine: "tought we've more european mods "
19:04:39 [GER]Samweis: "phone ... afk"
19:04:55 [eXS]Geo: "so, what are the topics today?"
19:05:02 [PS]sunshine: "okay, 1st point: european admin"
19:05:04 [MoA]Bumblebee: "well - yes - i had posted it - remember??"
19:05:51 [PS]sunshine: "2nd point, wanna hear some opinions about faction jumping"
19:06:02 [PS]sunshine: "any additions from your side?"
19:07:01 [eXS]Geo: "maybe the dying DS?"
19:07:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "hokka mac"
19:07:23 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "no points from me"
19:07:28 [PS]sunshine: "ah, another point.. faustus just gave me the link for the new installer.. anyone willing to open a mirror?"
19:07:31 [MoA]Soul132: "hi mac"
19:07:32 [PS]-mac-: "hokka "
19:07:37 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "here"
19:07:40 [PS]sunshine: "heya mac"
19:07:41 [eXS]Geo: "here"
19:07:45 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "downloading at the moment"
19:07:45 [ C `] Dwarden: "1.3 installer?"
19:07:48 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":)"
19:07:50 [eXS]Geo: ""
19:07:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "great"
19:07:52 [MoA]FrankySZ: "sure sun"
19:07:53 [PS]sunshine: "yes"
19:07:54 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, ISylea will host it"
19:08:04 [PS]-mac-: "heya soul, sunshine "
* [eXS]Geo slaps [PS]sunshine in the head...
19:09:00 [PS]Selvarian: "Where can I get it from, sunshine?"
19:09:13 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "any ideas when the release for the 1.3 installer will be?"
19:09:30 [PS]sunshine: "as soon as we got some mirrors up =)"
19:09:56 [PS]sunshine: "upload it, add the link in our link section and send an email to faustus"
19:10:29 [PS]sunshine: "also, feel free to inform the news sites about this release =)"
19:10:29 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":)))"
19:10:45 [PS]Selvarian: "OK."
19:11:04 [eXS]Geo: "i would be happier to inform them about a ds with less bugs..."
19:11:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv sure I will post new DS at http://www.pegasoft.cz "
19:12:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "and at bonusweb.cz and...and.. lol"
19:12:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki everywhere i remember"
19:12:29 [PS]sunshine: "i agree with you geo, that's why i hold off the cooperation with the big german gaming mags.."
19:12:51 [eXS]Geo: "hmmh ..."
19:13:16 [eXS]Geo: "well, I see that people leave DS..."
19:13:43 [PS]Selvarian: "I am hoping that the latest changes have made the game more stable."
19:13:53 [PS]sunshine: "don't want to read reviews with bad marks about the game.. "
19:14:02 [PS]Selvarian: "Opinions?"
19:14:09 [eXS]Geo: "me either"
19:17:52 [BIS]shadedancer: "Selv: last update means that from 15th?"
19:14:30 [eXS]Geo: "@Selv: it's very unstable"
19:14:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo hmm since update with guns i saw more new players as whole month before"
19:14:39 [PS]Selvarian: "Yup."
19:14:41 [eXS]Geo: "and has major bugs..."
19:14:42 [PS]Selvarian: "Oh crap."
19:14:57 [eXS]Geo: "@Dwarden: because of news in magazines..."
19:15:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo no it have less bugs as ever before"
19:15:12 [eXS]Geo: "but I don't see more players playing this game"
19:15:32 [eXS]Geo: "@Dwarden: and what about the MV-LG-Bug?"
19:15:47 [PS]sunshine: "can't give any comments on bugs/stability atm.. had no time to play the game.."
19:15:49 [eXS]Geo: "what about multiplicated ships?"
19:15:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "lower as before"
19:19:18 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: I couldn't detect major differences. (In MV) There are some system which run smooth and some which are heavily buggy."
19:16:08 [eXS]Geo: "what about ships appearing 11.000.000 gu away from any system?"
19:16:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Hmmm."
19:16:16 [PS]sunshine: "yeah, wolf 359, sol and sirius are buggy =)"
19:16:19 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed shade"
19:16:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "geo not happened to me"
19:16:26 Fry: "hm, yes @geo I know this bug"
19:16:31 [PS]Selvarian: "I wonder if it has something to do with the maps again?"
19:20:02 [BIS]shadedancer: "@Selv: had next to no problems in Scenario, but I haven't played as much as MV"
19:16:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "but i know its possible"
19:16:45 [eXS]Geo: "and in big battles in MV the server very often crashes...you only need 22 people in a fight"
* Tracker has entered the room...
19:16:55 [ C `] Dwarden: "it have something with different MV position save"
19:17:09 [PS]sunshine: "these maps crash on a regular basis... but mac, selv and me are able to reboot them... so shouldn't be not such a big problem =)"
19:20:36 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: yep, corectly, most flawed maps are Sol, Wolf and Sirius."
19:17:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "i know that was old bug which forced me to close C' servers cause when someone joined serh he apeard millions gu far away"
19:17:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "and when he returned to normal MV it happened again"
19:17:39 [eXS]Geo: "@Sun: it is, when someone is flying there..."
19:21:10 [BIS]shadedancer: "sun: it's a problem, because it makes DS looking unstable == not worth gaming, even if it's persistent."
19:17:48 [PS]sunshine: "sure "
19:17:53 [eXS]Geo: "that person will lose his ship..."
19:18:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "Geo its 3 days nimby said he is working on fixing MV maps"
19:18:12 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "There is a reconnect button ingame?"
19:18:21 [eXS]Geo: "good..."
19:18:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - it is implemented"
19:18:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "WHAT's size of new DS client ?"
19:18:41 [PS]sunshine: "okay, let's get this meeting started "
19:18:42 [GER]DrMud: "ppl asked me if disconnects happen often, what do u think i had to say ??"
19:18:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "please i need it"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "nein, wenn du disconnectest, dann bekommst du einen reconnect button."
19:18:51 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "37 MB"
19:18:53 [eXS]Geo: "35,6 Megs"
19:18:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki i ask some sites"
19:19:14 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "35,6 is right"
* [eXS]Dead-Eye whispered "was doch der Fall ist, wenn der Server neugestartet wird"
19:19:19 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ftp..."
19:19:27 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. The download is available on Sylea"
19:19:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Use the 1.2 link."
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "jo, kann sein, das der dann auch kommt, wäre ich mir im moment nicht sicher, das hab ich auch nicht erlebt."
19:20:18 [PS]sunshine: "short information: contracts with our partner for europe are under progress.. their lawyers are working damn slow.. so it'll take a while .."
19:20:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "DrMud no often disconnect after i hunted faustus, now only in lobby"
19:20:39 [MoA]FrankySZ: "more then 2 weeks?"
19:20:49 [MoA]Bumblebee: "good to know - bad the info"
19:20:56 [ C `] Dwarden: "he told me it was problem of Playnet 14-10 days ago, they made crap with routers"
19:20:57 [PS]sunshine: "think so franky  "
* [eXS]Dead-Eye whispered "ich schon in der Beta, wo Faustus die Kluth im Spiel haben wollte"
19:21:13 [ C `] Dwarden: "my only problem is usually 2 - 5 disconnects from lobby for no reason"
19:21:15 [MoA]FrankySZ: "mhhh waiting for visa ..."
19:21:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "per day"
* [eXS]Dead-Eye whispered "Da hat er den Server neugestartet"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "hmm... hab ich vielleicht deinen Satz falsch verstanden? auf jeden fall gut das der knopf da ist, auhc wenns immer noch schlechten eindruck macht, wenn server einfach abrauchen..."
19:22:14 [PS]sunshine: "but we'll get this deal and better payment methods for europe =)"
19:22:43 [MoA]Bumblebee: "thats the "good to know" - part"
19:22:51 [PS]sunshine: "=)"
19:23:03 [eXS]Geo: "but thats nothing new..."
* [eXS]Dead-Eye whispered "Das Problem ist, daß man sein Schiff nicht mehr sieht und daß dann bei bestimmten Aktionen ne Crash provoziert wird"
19:23:44 [eXS]Geo: "I see the problem, that people want to play this game...play it and then say: It hasn't got enough features..."
19:23:54 [eXS]Geo: "or: it's too buggy..."
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "_Das_ ist in der tat ein Problem, F weiss davon?? Sicher, mit sowas hälste nich thinter dem Berg, dumme Frage."
19:24:36 [PS]sunshine: "okay, i guess it's time to announce who made it as admin.."
19:24:49 [eXS]Geo: "and the best payment method is useless, when the game isn't goodenough..."
19:25:00 [PS]-mac-: "(drum roll ... "
19:25:01 [PS]sunshine: "brb"
* [eXS]Dead-Eye whispered "meimeimei "
19:25:10 [PS]sunshine: "argh, sorry"
19:25:11 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "loool"
19:25:12 [MoA]Soul132: "lol"
19:25:14 [MoA]FrankySZ: ":-)"
19:25:17 [PS]sunshine: "may take upto 5 minutes "
19:25:23 [MoA]Bumblebee: "rofl"
19:25:24 [MoA]FrankySZ: "so many admins:-))"
19:25:28 [GER]Samweis: "*g"
19:25:32 [MoA]Bumblebee: "outch"
19:25:47 [PS]Selvarian: "That's not nice.. a cliffhanger in the middle of the meeting...  |"
* [eXS]Geo hands a calculator to [PS]Sunshine ...
19:26:29 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "..."
19:26:36 [PS]Selvarian: "Does anyone's browser say "Welcome onboard, Visitor..."?"
19:26:49 [GER]Samweis: "yes"
19:26:51 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "???"
19:26:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes "
19:26:57 [PS]-mac-: "once I go into forums it does Selv"
19:26:58 Fry: "yep"
19:27:03 [MoA]FrankySZ: "yep"
19:27:07 [MoA]Soul132: "yes but only in the forum"
19:30:34 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: yes, when I click on certainlinks clans for example."
19:27:14 [PS]Selvarian: "I'm logged into the forum, but the rest of the site treats me like I am a demo account"
19:27:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "yes selvarian"
19:27:22 [.Di.]Dragonball: "yes"
19:27:23 Fry: "I think relog should work"
19:27:32 [ C `] Dwarden: "In moment you to FORUM u get logged out from DS page"
19:27:34 [PS]Selvarian: "Methinks that we have another bug."
19:27:38 [eXS]Geo: "it's a cookie problem"
19:27:47 [ C `] Dwarden: "old bug already reported to webmaster"
19:27:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "correct selv"
19:27:57 [ C `] Dwarden: "but he isnt working on site for over 1 week"
19:28:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Hmmm. It seemed to work OK last week."
19:28:23 [PS]Selvarian: "Must've changed something."
19:28:23 [ C `] Dwarden: "since last forum change its not working"
* [eXS]Geo has no comment for the so called webmaster...
19:28:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "same READ/UNREAD"
19:28:41 [ C `] Dwarden: "try this"
19:28:48 [ C `] Dwarden: "enter forum do nothing and close GCQL"
19:28:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "relogin to GCQL and enter forum"
19:29:01 [ C `] Dwarden: "all is already read"
19:29:05 [MoA]Bumblebee: "its the same - yes - dwarden"
19:29:07 [ C `] Dwarden: "confusing"
19:29:55 [PS]Selvarian: "I think StarDust is a good web designer, but I think the back-end part needs a programmer's touch."
19:30:24 [MoA]Bumblebee: "duuno - but if you say so - selv"
19:30:31 [PS]Selvarian: "Many web designers are a little lacking in that area. Not that it is a bad thing, unless they are expected to do it as part of their job."
19:30:34 [eXS]Geo: "I offered them my help ... but they didn't react ... so what shall I say? It's their problem..."
* [GER]Samweis has entered the room...
19:31:57 [eXS]Geo: "..but the game has to pay the price for it... That makes me §$&%&§"
19:35:35 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: well many programmers lack the design area... "
19:32:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes. I feel similarly, but maybe not as harshly."
19:32:37 [PS]Selvarian: "shade -> very true"
19:32:46 [eXS]Geo: "the problem is, that webdesigners often aren't teamworkers ... "
19:33:08 [PS]Selvarian: "For that matter, neither are many programmers."
19:33:20 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "*drums still rolling*"
* [PS]-mac- nods
19:33:23 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hehe"
19:33:33 [eXS]Geo: "they want to make their concept without any suggestions by another webdesigner..."
19:33:44 [MoA]Bumblebee: "i can hear them - far away - lol"
19:35:12 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "0,00001?"
19:38:50 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv I got another problem with GCQL: me apostrophs(?) aren't working all the time... '`´"
19:35:29 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ups"
19:35:32 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ";)"
19:39:22 [BIS]shadedancer: "sometime they do (like last sentence) and sometimes not..."
19:36:00 [PS]Selvarian: "They don't work in the /send commands"
19:39:58 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: hmm.... not sure but that might be it... I'll further investigate that."
19:36:53 [PS]sunshine: "bac"
19:36:55 [PS]sunshine: "k"
19:37:00 [PS]sunshine: "sorry, my mum bugged me"
19:37:07 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "yeehaa"
19:37:09 [GER]Samweis: "hehe"
19:37:11 [PS]-mac-: "heheh"
19:37:17 [MoA]Frohike: "lol"
19:37:19 [MoA]Bumblebee: "wellcome back"
19:37:26 [PS]Selvarian: "Oy, so your MUM is more important than DS?"
19:37:27 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "now unbugged "
19:37:27 [PS]sunshine: "=)"
19:37:29 [PS]Selvarian: ":OP"
19:37:35 [MoA]FrankySZ: "thats whats mums doing "
19:37:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "@shadedancer"
19:37:44 [ C `] Dwarden: "your problems with ' are"
19:37:51 [PS]sunshine: "sure, when i want her car 2morrow.. yes =)"
19:37:55 [PS]-mac-: "mums are always more important ... otherwise you get a slap in the head =)"
19:37:58 [ C `] Dwarden: "because " and ' are used in HTML to close value"
19:38:02 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hehe"
19:38:11 [ C `] Dwarden: "this one is working `"
19:38:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "''"
19:38:26 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ok now who will be the admin"
19:38:31 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "?"
19:38:31 [PS]Selvarian: "They work, but not in /send"
19:38:34 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm now its working 'x' and '"
19:38:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm weeks ago they not worked in chat"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "I know that, but what bugs me is that sometimes its all working fine and sometimes not and that is not good."
19:38:59 [ C `] Dwarden: "changes happen "
19:39:03 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":P"
19:39:04 [PS]sunshine: "could play a little game, everybody rejoins this room and you'll see the 4th admin "
19:39:06 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ";)"
19:39:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Everyone make sure they are sitting down, this could get interesting"
19:39:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "?"
19:39:20 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "lool"
19:39:25 [PS]-mac-: "lol"
* Tracker has entered the room...
19:39:33 [PS]sunshine: "=)"
19:39:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "u you want last man standing "
19:39:45 [PS]-mac-: "hmm no workie that way"
19:39:51 [GER]Samweis: "afk"
19:39:52 [MoA]Bumblebee: "brb"
* [.Di.]Barthezzz has entered the room...
19:40:23 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "eeh?"
* [GER]Samweis has entered the room...
19:40:38 [PS]sunshine: "hehe.."
19:40:47 [PS]-mac-: "hmm"
19:40:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "...?"
19:40:55 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "nice game"
19:40:57 [PS]Selvarian: "Boy, that was anti-climactic... P"
19:40:58 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "i see 3"
19:41:06 [PS]sunshine: "=)"
19:41:06 [PS]-mac-: "heheh"
19:41:10 [MoA]Bumblebee: "me 2 3 - not 4"
19:41:17 [PS]sunshine: "i see 4 "
19:41:21 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "sme here"
19:44:50 [BIS]shadedancer: "very anti-climatic... "
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
* [GER]Samweis has entered the room...
19:41:33 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "3"
19:41:34 [PS]-mac-: "I see 3 ... new guy must relog  "
19:41:39 [MoA]Frohike: "i see 3 too"
19:41:50 [eXS]Geo: "So I guess it"
* [PS]Selvarian has entered the room...
19:42:13 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "ok selv u are still admin ))"
19:42:14 [eXS]Geo: "'s ... hmm ... Santa Clause? "
19:42:14 [PS]Selvarian: "Stupid chat room color bug? "
* [.Di.]Barthezzz has entered the room...
* [MoA]Soul132 has entered the room...
19:42:28 [PS]-mac-: "yup, bug "
19:42:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm"
19:42:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "hoax?"
19:42:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Just checking to see if a room change would fix it"
* [ C `] Dwarden kicked [ C ] Dwarden ...
19:43:03 [PS]sunshine: "faust and me discussed your vote.. and we choose Samweis "
* [GER]Samweis has entered the room...
19:43:15 [MoA]Bumblebee: "gratz samweis"
19:43:17 [MoA]Soul132: "GRATZ SAM"
19:43:17 [PS]Selvarian: "There we go."
* [MoA]Patlukowsky giggles at [GER]Samweis...
19:43:18 [PS]-mac-: "there that's better"
19:43:19 [GER]Samweis: "nice "
19:43:19 [MoA]FrankySZ: "Grats Samweis"
19:43:20 [GER]Samweis: "thx"
19:43:20 [GER]DrMud: "graz sammy"
* [eXS]Geo waves to [GER]Samweis...
19:43:22 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "gratz"
19:43:22 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "gratz sammy"
19:43:27 [MoA]Frohike: "gratz samweis"
19:43:27 [PS]sunshine: "sorry, forgot.. you've to reconnect to GCQ"
19:43:31 [eXS]Geo: "Herzlichen Glückwunsch Samweis!"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
19:43:41 [PS]Selvarian: "Congratulations, Samweis. Welcome to ... Level 2 ..."
19:43:42 [GER]Samweis: "i changed the room and now it works "
* [PS]-mac- rolls out the white carpet for sammy
19:43:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "hmm now u can saw example of not working '"
19:43:58 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "Grats Samweis"
19:44:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "sam u still green for me"
* [eXS]Geo hands a biiig beer to Samweis!
19:44:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "i guess it affecting anyone who change its level"
19:44:26 [MoA]Bumblebee: "not for me - a brilliant white"
19:44:40 [PS]Selvarian: "...now just put a pint of your blood ALONG WITH YOUR IMMORTAL SOUL...er ahem.. into this jar."
19:44:50 [PS]sunshine: "I'm considering to take a break... so it may happen that we'll get another admin soon"
19:44:51 [eXS]Geo: "lol"
19:45:06 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hehe"
19:45:21 [PS]-mac-: "hey no vacations yet :>"
19:45:51 [PS]Selvarian: "I can understand, sunshine. It's not easy. At least not as easy as it used to be when the game was smaller."
* [.Di.]Barthezzz sees [PS]sunshine eating cheese
19:46:26 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "oops"
19:46:32 [PS]sunshine: "i guess most of you already relized, that i'm hanging aroundin the chats only a few hours each day.. "
19:46:37 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "srry stupid keyborad"
19:46:39 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "yeah MoA got the first offical link "
19:46:45 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "for v 1.3"
19:46:47 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hehe"
19:46:49 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":P"
19:46:58 [eXS]Geo: ":-)"
19:47:02 [MoA]FrankySZ: ":-)"
19:47:14 [MoA]Bumblebee: ":-)"
19:47:17 [PS]sunshine: "t-15 for the gamesweb.com link =)"
19:47:24 [eXS]Geo: ":-)"
19:47:29 [PS]sunshine: "hang, mum is calling me again "
19:47:32 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if I could EDIT the stupid list, Sylea would have been updated, too."
19:47:51 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":P send a mail to F"
19:47:56 [MoA]Bumblebee: "by sun"
19:47:58 [MoA]FrankySZ: ":-)"
19:48:03 [PS]Selvarian: "No, I just need to re-loging."
19:48:03 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "he is online with his mailprogram"
19:48:06 [PS]Selvarian: "login"
19:48:08 [GER]Samweis: "sorry, have to go. cya later"
19:48:15 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "then do it )"
19:48:18 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cu Sam"
19:48:18 [PS]-mac-: "cya Sam"
19:48:20 [MoA]Bumblebee: "now - our new admin thake the floor"
19:48:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Later, Samweis"
19:48:25 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "cu Sammy"
19:48:38 [PS]Selvarian: "..takes a powder, more like... P"
19:48:52 [PS]-mac-: "lol"
* [ C `] Dwarden_Console has entered the room...
19:49:06 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "still green"
* [ C `] Dwarden_Console slaps [MoA]Bumblebee in the head...
19:49:30 [PS]Selvarian: "BRB"
19:49:31 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "ups where he vanished"
19:49:32 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "??"
19:49:38 [MoA]Bumblebee: "what was that for - console???"
* [PS]Selvarian has entered the room...
19:49:57 [PS]-mac-: "he'll have to have Faustus fix it ... I used to be like that, F did something tho"
19:50:20 [PS]Selvarian: "I fixed it"
19:50:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyone else need their link updated? While I can, that is."
19:50:38 [MoA]Bumblebee: "he slapped me - and noone is getting angry"
19:50:44 [PS]-mac-: "ok so tell me how you did it *slap* "
19:50:54 [PS]sunshine: "back"
19:51:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Relogin and go DIRECTLY to the downloads page. Stay AWAY from the Forum"
19:51:18 [eXS]Geo: "in 7 minutes my mirror is ready"
19:51:29 [PS]-mac-: "ahh that's the trick"
19:51:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Which one is that, Geo?"
19:51:39 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "cant see anything selv"
19:51:45 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "seems deleted"
19:51:50 [eXS]Geo: "DarkSpace Portal"
19:51:53 [PS]-mac-: "I automatically hit forums when I log"
19:52:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Hmm. Works for me, Pat"
19:52:18 [PS]sunshine: "okay, sam made it in the first round, i'll let you know when we're going to get another one.."
* [BIS]shadedancer wants to prod along the aganda...
* [MoA]Soul132 has entered the room...
19:52:45 [PS]Selvarian: "OK. Sounds good, sunshine."
19:52:53 [PS]-mac-: "ok, my bladder is busting now ... excuse me a few moments please "
19:52:54 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "cant see ur mirror selv"
19:53:00 [PS]Selvarian: "DOH!"
19:53:04 [PS]Selvarian: "Try again"
19:53:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Had to "Approve" it."
19:53:31 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "mom"
19:53:35 [PS]Selvarian: "Too much info, mac... too much info."
19:53:48 [MoA]FrankySZ: "now its there"
19:54:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Don't see your site listed, Geo"
19:54:13 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "nope "
19:54:16 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "hehe"
19:54:49 [eXS]Geo: "@Selv: me either...maybe F is just fixing it"
19:55:16 [PS]Selvarian: "All that needed to be done is change the version number, unless you changed your URL."
19:55:20 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "now selv "
19:55:20 [PS]-mac-: ":) sorry"
19:55:34 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "..."
20:00:36 [BIS]shadedancer: "agenda?"
19:57:10 [PS]Selvarian: "Any other meeting topics?"
19:57:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Anyone have any questions from the NA Mo meeting transcript?"
19:57:31 [PS]Selvarian: "Mod"
19:57:37 [PS]sunshine: "yes.. what do you think about the fraction-jumpers?"
19:57:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - the faction-jumping"
19:57:51 [MoA]Bumblebee: "its a pain"
19:58:04 [MoA]FrankySZ: "and stupid"
19:58:05 [PS]Selvarian: "You mean it is too hard or too easy?"
19:58:14 [MoA]Bumblebee: "i suggested to lock it - only possible for the admin's"
20:01:54 [BIS]shadedancer: "well, I find it ok, as long as player do deliver their nonfraction ships back to gate. Everything else is just stupid and make no sense at all."
19:58:32 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "better: use the 24h lock"
19:58:38 [MoA]FrankySZ: "or locked for 4 weeks"
19:58:40 [MoA]Bumblebee: "much to easy"
19:58:57 [MoA]Soul132: "agree franky"
19:59:07 [PS]-mac-: "it should be locked for a minimum period of time ... as Faustus tries to balance a clan, everyone jumps ship"
19:59:08 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - agreed - franky - a possible way 2"
19:59:08 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agred franky"
19:59:09 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "franky, its too long"
19:59:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Independnet Players often complain about wanting to try out all the factions and make a choice."
19:59:18 [MoA]FrankySZ: "nope"
19:59:29 [PS]sunshine: "bigger problems are the jumping clans..."
19:59:42 [MoA]Soul132: "yes"
19:59:50 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "what happens if the ppl is a newbie?"
19:59:50 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "we are talking about the clans"
19:59:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - sun - agreed"
19:59:58 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "not the independent"
20:03:27 [BIS]shadedancer: "I think so too, problem are not the independents"
20:00:00 [PS]-mac-: "(make that balance a faction)"
20:00:00 [PS]Selvarian: "So, I think that the choice should be made as an informed one ahead of time before someone enters the MV."
20:00:08 [MoA]Bumblebee: "there is no problem with a single player"
20:00:12 [MoA]FrankySZ: "thats too bur with fractionjumping its very stupid"
20:00:12 [PS]Selvarian: "Oh. Someone said "factions"."
20:00:34 [PS]Selvarian: "My mistake... hehe"
20:00:36 [MoA]Bumblebee: "me"
20:00:48 [PS]Selvarian: "Why is clan-jumping a problem?"
20:00:55 [MoA]Bumblebee: "isnt faction correct???"
20:01:01 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "icc mandible dread"
20:01:07 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "all what i say"
20:01:10 [MoA]FrankySZ: "and Dead-Eye if it was locked for 4 weeks every clan think about changing"
20:01:17 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "@Mac i suggest period for for MV faction to 1 or 2 weeks Minimally"
20:01:32 [PS]Selvarian: "faction/team is choice of ICC, UGTO, K'luth.... clans are MoA, eXS, C'"
20:01:49 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes selv"
20:01:59 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "yes and some clans are changing their team yery fast at the moment"
20:02:01 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "i use fraction/race instead of faction "
20:02:02 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "@Franky: I thought about single player, not clans. If a clan made faction jumping, then should lock 1 week"
20:02:04 [MoA]Bumblebee: "the problem is the faction-jumping"
20:02:16 [PS]Selvarian: "So, is it a problem with faction/team-jumping or clan-jumping?"
20:02:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "faction"
20:05:55 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: some clans seem to change to different faction to play the better ship for another faction... or to multiply that factions choices with their ships."
20:02:32 [PS]Selvarian: "OK."
20:02:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "if a clan changes the faction or race"
20:02:52 [MoA]FrankySZ: " ok Dead-Eye then ok but for clans it must be more"
20:03:02 [PS]-mac-: "take PB for example ... K'luth get balanced a little, so they hop on over to ICC. Now if ICC get balanced a little more, they'll hop again."
20:03:05 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "yes, Franky"
20:03:28 [MoA]Bumblebee: "well i did not say anithing about the PB"
20:03:32 [MoA]FrankySZ: "thats what i mean mac"
20:03:33 [PS]Selvarian: "Unfortunately, I am not privy to Faustus thoughts on the whole Faction/Clan alignment issue, so I am not sure what to suggest."
20:03:47 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but if YOU call them - i have some nice pics of them"
20:04:09 [MoA]Bumblebee: "@mac"
20:04:17 [PS]-mac-: ":)"
20:04:26 [ C `] Dwarden_Console: "new update?"
20:04:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Granted that being in a UGTO ship on the ICC team/faction is wrong."
20:07:57 [BIS]shadedancer: "I think a suggestion on locking to a faction after changing to it for about 3 weeks might be ok, ppl will start to think about changing then as Franky said."
20:04:46 [MoA]Bumblebee: "make it bigger - selv"
20:05:07 [PS]Selvarian: "I think it all depends on the purpose of the clans."
20:05:34 [MoA]Bumblebee: "take a fleet with some k'luth ships and some icc too - all on ICC-side"
20:05:54 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "we ssee the normal icc ship"
20:06:04 [MoA]Bumblebee: "but i have seen other clans allso"
20:06:17 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "and the icckluth ship is killing or capping..."
20:06:35 [PS]Selvarian: "In the storyline, if clans are an integral part of the in-game culture, then your clan is permanently part of the race you choose from the beginning. If you want to join a different faction, then leave your clan and join/create a different one with the faction you want to play in."
* Error, failed to find 'sunshine' in room...
20:06:51 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "right selv"
20:06:52 [MoA]FrankySZ: "and so ds would be a nice cheatgame"
20:07:03 [MoA]Bumblebee: "correct selv"
20:07:08 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and franky )"
20:07:09 [MoA]FrankySZ: "yes selv"
20:07:13 [PS]Selvarian: "Changing factions based on poor game balance is cheesy and should be prevented."
20:07:25 [PS]-mac-: "exactly, Selv"
20:07:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "thats what i meant"
20:07:51 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and on poor gamers 2 - selv ))"
20:08:00 [MoA]Patlukowsky: ":))"
20:08:02 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep, them too."
20:08:04 [MoA]FrankySZ: "right Bumble"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "I got another point: Opinion on major usage of logout to avoid being killed in MV. Reason: not to loose ones nice modified ship! (mind not the killed entry in profile, but loosing the ship)"
20:09:28 [PS]Selvarian: "I think that even Independents should be prevented from switching factions in the MV for a period of time, like say 24 hours. As long as that is stipulated to the newbies in a VERY obvious way, it will quell most of the "why can't I change to another faction to try it out right now?" complaints."
20:09:30 [MoA]Bumblebee: "ok - its up to you - tell faustus we need it urgently"
* [ C `] Dwarden has entered the room...
20:13:37 [BIS]shadedancer: "Ok, and then after annoucng something like that, it should be allowed to all clans to change for one last time..."
20:13:47 [BIS]shadedancer: "just in case."
20:10:29 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "right"
20:10:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "wellcome back - slapper-dwarden )"
20:10:30 [ C `] Dwarden: "hey people i need help, i have multiple times one resolution in ClientSetup and none !!! is working, only windowed"
20:10:33 [MoA]FrankySZ: "yep Sel whats about 4 weeks for clans and 24hours for single players"
20:10:33 [ C `]storm23: "hi all"
20:10:40 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "hi"
20:10:43 [MoA]Soul132: "agreed franky"
20:10:58 [MoA]Bumblebee: "yes - franky"
20:11:02 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "agreed franky"
20:11:03 [eXS]Geo: "well, cu later guys ... I want to continue with my webdesign-stuff..."
20:11:12 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "bye"
20:11:19 [PS]Selvarian: "Oh and logging out to avoid losing your ship in the MV. I think you should be invulnerable for about 5 minutes and then your ship goes back to normal under AI control."
20:11:22 [MoA]Bumblebee: "bye geo - happy coding ))"
20:11:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Later, Geo"
20:11:27 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "bye"
20:11:29 [PS]-mac-: "cya geo"
20:12:13 [PS]Selvarian: "That way, you can deal with both the cheesy intentional disconnect players as well as allow those who have cheesy ISPs to keep from losing their ship."
20:12:17 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "that will be bad for the disconnectors in battle @selv"
20:12:29 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "but good for the real crash"
20:12:51 [MoA]Bumblebee: "a AGREED from me 2 - selv"
20:13:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "@selv 5 minutes of Invunerability will be cheated"
20:13:22 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep. That is the goal. Punish the intentional disconnectors while helping out those poor folks (like Evil Bob) who have crappy dial-up connections."
20:13:22 [ C `] Dwarden: "imagine how easy is unplugging cable from hub"
20:13:27 [PS]Selvarian: "So?"
20:13:37 [MoA]Bumblebee: "how - dwarden"
20:13:47 [PS]Selvarian: "After 5 minutes, you bring a bunch of friends and blow them up"
20:13:51 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "i gotta go"
20:13:52 [ C `] Dwarden: "click, clap, unpluged "
20:13:54 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and what is the benefit of it??"
20:13:57 [.Di.]Barthezzz: "bye"
20:14:04 [PS]-mac-: "brb"
20:14:14 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cu Di"
20:14:16 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "cya"
20:14:28 [ C `] Dwarden: "in old MV system it was easy unplug and save ur ship"
20:14:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "with imortality it happen same"
20:14:40 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "I left this room"
20:14:42 [eXS]Dead-Eye: "cu later"
20:14:44 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, but it isn't permanent."
* [MoA]Patlukowsky waves to Magellan DSIT gOmp...
20:18:18 [BIS]shadedancer: "dwarden: it still works and is used (you might even say exploited)"
20:14:59 [MoA]FrankySZ: "hiho Mag"
20:15:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "selv i say definitely NO and NEVER imortality"
* [MoA]Bumblebee gives Magellan DSIT gOmp a great big hug...
20:15:03 [PS]Selvarian: "You have 5 minutes to reconnect before you become vulnerable under AI control."
* [-GTN-]Demorian has entered the room...
20:15:29 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and it COUNTS - correct selv???"
20:15:30 [PS]Selvarian: "..then live with the disconnectors. Either way is as cheesy as the other."
* D3VaST8D has entered the room...
20:15:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "cause it's problem of customer he getting disco, he need only to PRAY to reconnect enough fast"
20:15:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, 5 minutes is an arbitrary value."
20:16:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "so YES for chance to reconnect"
20:16:15 [ C `] Dwarden: "but 1st ship must be damage able"
20:16:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "2nd ship after 5 minutes WILL vanish (explode)"
20:16:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "no more AI ghosts"
20:16:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "easy, fast, fair"
20:16:41 [PS]Selvarian: "I think it is enough to expect that someone who is having ISP problems can reconnect in 5 mins or so. Depends on the situation. If their ISP is REALLY REALLY BAD, then they should invest in another ISP"
* Magellan DSIT gOmp nods at [MoA]Bumblebee...
20:17:18 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lol - yes selv"
20:17:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "selv yes but i getting no understood for AI ghosts and imune for 5 minutes"
20:17:42 [PS]Selvarian: "No, what I am suggesting is that you reconnect to just the one ship and the AI is turned off."
20:17:42 [MoA]FrankySZ: "yep Sel"
20:17:46 [ C `] Dwarden: "WHO give me back MY missiles when i loose them shooting imortal ghost?"
20:18:10 [MoA]Bumblebee: "the supply?? @dwarden"
20:18:25 [MoA]Bumblebee: "or do you play without them ))"
20:18:27 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if the ship is in that mode, then it should be made obvious that it is so."
20:18:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "it's enough confusing to shooting imortal ghost, vaste ammo, turn around to discover he reconected and start fire at me"
20:22:28 [BIS]shadedancer: "@dwarden: true..."
20:19:16 [ C `] Dwarden: "what about Constant damage To ghost ship?"
20:19:20 [ C `] Dwarden: "yeah thats perfect idea"
20:19:23 [PS]sunshine: "sorry dudes, gotta continue my work on a presentation :/"
20:19:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "300seconds"
20:19:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "for ghost"
20:19:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "each second mean 1/300 ship hull damage"
20:19:49 [ C `] Dwarden: "after 300seconds... BOOOOM"
20:19:52 [PS]Selvarian: "Later, sunshine, did we cover everything?"
20:20:14 [ C `] Dwarden: "that prevent any cable unplug exploiter"
20:20:19 [MoA]Bumblebee: "bye sunshine and good work"
20:20:32 [MoA]FrankySZ: "cu Sun"
20:20:38 [PS]sunshine: "important points, i'm quite busy... that's why i'm not participating in your discussions "
20:20:38 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, it is a balance game between people who intentionally disconnect and those who can't help it."
20:24:54 [BIS]shadedancer: "Question: Will the ship lost and NOT saved after it got up to 300/300 damage?"
20:21:40 [PS]sunshine: "l8r"
20:22:09 [PS]Selvarian: "One the one end of the issue, you can just blow up the ship when a player disconnects. At the other end, you can just make them disappear and they will come back through the jump gate when they reconnect, or you can make them immortal while they are off-line."
20:22:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Either extreme is silly, which is why something in the middle is probably the best."
20:26:43 [BIS]shadedancer: "Because that's the real problem I see here: I met a few ppl during the last week in Mv who intentionaly looged of, if they where brought down to 10% Hull to save their cofiguration! They didn't mind the kill but more the prestige and the modifications lost."
20:24:18 [ C `] Dwarden: "@Shade"
20:24:21 [PS]Selvarian: "The other question is what happens if they already are severely damaged? Will that reduce the time, or will it just be 1/300th of the remaining hull? What about K'luth Auto-hull-repair?"
20:24:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "what u mean?"
20:24:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "i said after 300 seonds is ship lost, boom , over"
20:24:43 [MoA]Bumblebee: "good point - selv"
20:24:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "u apear at gate with new ship"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "still unclear?"
20:25:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st you loose ship, but not points ..."
20:29:02 [BIS]shadedancer: "ok, new ship fine with me"
20:25:51 [ C `] Dwarden: "it's relative fair"
20:26:06 [PS]Selvarian: "Also, your suggestion does not address the "shoot your missiles, turn your back, and get shot in the rear" problem you mentioned earlier, D."
* [MoA]Patlukowsky slaps [MoA]Gatos in the head...
20:26:36 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "wake up"
20:27:33 [ C `] Dwarden: "selv thats easy"
20:27:36 [ C `] Dwarden: " A) Ghost is UNTARGETable!"
20:27:49 [PS]Selvarian: "Yah."
20:31:19 [BIS]shadedancer: "um... it's not working, because how will you be able to -rightly- save your config?"
20:27:55 [ C `] Dwarden: " B) You have 5 minutes to reconnect, thats 5*60secons, so each second is ship hull, armor, shield and gadgeds damaged by 1/300, so after 300 seconds big ship explosion and ship is fataly lost!!!"
20:28:16 [ C `] Dwarden: " C) After ship explode and player reconnect to game, he start in gate with new ship, both in MV and Scenario, but he not loose any prestige or credits."
20:28:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "no config saved !"
20:28:35 [ C `] Dwarden: "These solutions are fair to all and prevent 2 types of exploiting."
20:28:46 [MoA]Bumblebee: "and what is about the mentioned auto-hull-repair"
20:29:01 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "but then it must be a second script for a normal ogoff somewhere in space"
20:29:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "easy"
20:32:41 [BIS]shadedancer: "@dwarden: well you got to trade a bit then, to refit your new ship, but it balances fairly well annd applies to everybody... hmm.."
20:29:24 [ C `] Dwarden: "any repair and shield recharge IS disabled!"
20:29:42 [ C `] Dwarden: "Shade its Fair to me"
20:29:46 [MoA]Bumblebee: "good then"
20:29:54 [ C `] Dwarden: "cause i hate people who disconnecting to save theirs ships"
20:33:32 [BIS]shadedancer: "@dwarden: it appears fair to me as well..."
20:30:16 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, I would say it is less fair of a solution for people who can't help it, especailly with all of the PaleStar/PlayNet-side server disconnects that have been happening, but it could work."
20:33:45 [BIS]shadedancer: "@dwarden: me too!"
20:34:12 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: but if we give them a reasonable reconnect time, I think it's ok."
20:31:29 [ C `] Dwarden: " C) Ship2ship repair, Depot2ship repair, auto-repair, armor repair, gadged repair, shield recharge etc. IS FREEZED!"
20:31:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "in ghost mode"
20:32:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st this made people to hurry back to reconnect"
20:32:30 [PS]Selvarian: "Well, if it takes half the timer to reconnect, then someone who just got discoed through no fault of their own will automatically be penalized 50% of their ships hull/systems,"
20:32:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "so cable unplug become hazard (especially with damaged ship)"
20:33:06 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv but he get enough time to save his ass"
20:33:11 [PS]Selvarian: "What about MV server crash, D?"
20:33:23 [MoA]Bumblebee: "that depends"
20:33:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "MV server crash is issue of PaleStar problem"
20:33:34 [MoA]Bumblebee: "dwarden"
20:33:38 [ C `] Dwarden: "and need be bacuped from UR database"
20:33:50 [ C `] Dwarden: "so from situation before crash"
20:33:53 [PS]Selvarian: "Yes, it is, just like the issue we are disccuing."
20:37:46 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: I think the problem are those players with low hull / armor who logoff and we get that restricted with dwarden idea. random disconnect s are unlikely to happen with hull/armor 5%/0%..."
20:34:27 [ C `] Dwarden: "btw i think MV need new special function"
20:35:25 [ C `] Dwarden: "called Ship Converse (to dock, orbit etc and save ur ship for next time)"
20:35:40 [ C `] Dwarden: "Conserve lol"
20:35:56 [PS]Selvarian: "I guess where I am heading with this is that, given the stability issues which apparently still plague most of the DS players, I would rather go with the non-damage route. Then, when the stability is greatly improved, go to a damage-based penalty system."
20:36:04 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "brb"
20:36:28 [MoA]Bumblebee: "agreed - selv"
20:36:54 Fry: "when will faustus enable building stations? (stations which are flying in the space, like repair stations)"
20:40:27 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: that's ok, with me, as long as instability is shaky like now it's ok, but ..."
20:37:06 [MoA]FrankySZ: "agree Sel"
20:37:07 [MoA]Bumblebee: "lets re-discuss it after the servers are stabil"
20:37:39 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv question"
20:37:40 [MoA]Patlukowsky: "version 1.4"
20:37:43 [MoA]FrankySZ: "in the next update @Fry"
20:37:44 [MoA]Banshee: "well wouldnt it be easier to generate safty zones?"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "please read development updates, we probably dont know more then you and please whisper your questions... "
20:37:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "please tell meHOW many instability result into disco?"
20:37:55 [PS]Selvarian: "Yep. Sounds good to me. I'll still pass on all of the ideas to Faustus as recommendations."
20:37:58 Fry: "ah great :] thx for help"
20:38:00 [ C `] Dwarden: "btw i said U loose nothing "
* Fry whispered "ok, sorry"
20:38:33 [MoA]FrankySZ: "np Fry you can read about the future updates in the general forum"
* [BIS]shadedancer whispered "np!"
20:38:47 [PS]Selvarian: "How many? While I have been sitting in the chatroom, I see a complaint about being discoed every 3-5 minutes."
20:39:00 [MoA]Banshee: "disable the lock off function exept you`re in the zone?"
20:39:18 [PS]Selvarian: "I would say that roughly 75-90% of them are outside of the control of the player."
20:39:26 [ C `] Dwarden: "oki so 1st step Ghost (NO AI) for 5 minutes imortal visible, untargetable ?"
20:39:36 [MoA]Banshee: "one zone in each mv, you want to log off, you have to fly in the zone"
20:39:37 [ C `] Dwarden: "after stability fixed 2nd step with 1/300 damage?"
20:40:03 [MoA]Banshee: "in the zone all weapons are deaktivatet"
20:40:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Yeah, that is what I am thinking."
20:40:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "Btw what about BE Untargetable in gate SAFE zone and CANT target FROM this zone ?"
20:40:38 [MoA]Banshee: "jes"
20:40:42 [MoA]Banshee: "that i mean"
20:40:44 [PS]Selvarian: "Banshee -> I have spoken with Faustus about a "Weapon Interdictor" on Jump gates and such."
20:41:07 [MoA]Banshee: "so if you get disconectet your ship automatic jumps in this safty zone"
20:41:20 [PS]Selvarian: "Either that, or, like Dwarden is saying, a massive ECM field generated by the gate."
20:42:00 [MoA]Banshee: "well that would stop those campers in the mv"
20:45:30 [BIS]shadedancer: "banshee: nope, that way player still disconnect to save their config."
20:42:05 [ C `] Dwarden: "and?"
20:42:16 [PS]Selvarian: "No, I think that it should just come to a dead stop if you get disconnected."
* [-[A]-]Red Kerensky enters the room
20:43:04 [MoA]Banshee: "@shade wo would be crasy enough to pull the energie from the computer?"
* [-[A]-]Red Kerensky exits the room to get something to drink
20:43:27 [PS]Selvarian: "and, after the timer expires, the ship goes back to normal and is AI piloted to the Jump gate and can be destroyed before it gets there."
20:46:59 [BIS]shadedancer: "banshee: no need just pull the plug from your network card / isdn line."
20:43:57 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "Selvarian, ahhh"
20:44:00 [MoA]Banshee: "last time i did this my sistem crashed "
20:44:04 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "what about in MV, not in Home System"
20:47:39 [BIS]shadedancer: "@selv: that also sounds ok."
20:45:21 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv AI ghosts are extreme bad idea"
20:45:29 [ C `] Dwarden: "1st they eat server resources"
20:45:32 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "thats why"
20:45:36 [ C `] Dwarden: "2nd they made chaos if they named as player"
20:45:43 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "sometimes they pilot ships off the map (literally)"
20:45:45 [PS]Selvarian: "Heck, it might not be a bad idea to introduce a new gadget in the game.. a stassis sphere. Last-ditch defensive measure that every ship has. Would explain the discos neatly in-game"
20:46:01 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "Stasis sphere?"
20:46:03 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv why gadged?"
20:46:08 [ C `] Dwarden: "better anomaly "
20:46:11 [PS]Selvarian: "Dwarden -> They eat less server resources BY FAR than a player does."
20:46:19 [ C `] Dwarden: "Subspace holes "
20:46:31 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "MORE anomolies"
20:46:31 [ C `] Dwarden: "Selv NOT in moment they underattack and fight"
20:46:34 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "is more like it"
20:46:43 [ C `] Dwarden: "imagine 128 ghosts in fight"
20:46:53 [ C `] Dwarden: "all firing using all what they have"
20:47:00 [-[A]-]Red Kerensky: "i think they should pilot to the nearest jumpgate, any kind"
20:47:09 [ C `] Dwarden: "now increase ghosts to some values i saw 256 ghosts of 1 player"
20:47:17 [ C `] Dwarden: "BOOOOM"
Well afterwards discussion really drifted of so I quit here...
yours shadedancer 
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a big THANK YOU to shade
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| Posted: 2002-02-20 05:29
Bumble,
am I a moderator or am I a moderator?
yours shadedancer
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