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Kanman
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|  Posted: 2006-03-09 12:31
Here's a pic of a fusion reactor (experimental) which only works of about 1 sec before it burns out, and then takes 24 hours to set up again. however, during that burst, its creating 80 more power than the whole of the earth. in the process of having to contain all the energy, it creates a ball of lightning about the size of a small stadium!
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/1034/fusion5dq.jpg
P.S. why, dont the DS fusion gens run 80 terran worlds????
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 12:34
:0 That's awesome.
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c0ld
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 12:47
It may create that much power, but it uses even more. The reason it takes so long to prepare it is so the massive banks of capacitors can store enough charge for the big event.
All current operational tokamaks produce a Q less than 1 (ie takes more power than it puts out). The next gen tokamak underway in France, ITER, is the first Q>1 reactor. But it's still only experimental.
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Kanman
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 12:49
cool! thanks for the update. 
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Ramius
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 14:01
Wow, someone who actually knows what they are talking about when it comes to fusion power.
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Light-of-Aurora
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 14:28
So, ah, what's happening in that pic?
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c0ld
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 15:55
Well, I just stumbled across this on another forum; the Z machine. It's an experimental x-ray generator designed to be used to create the temps needed for fusion. VERY interesting stuff! It seems the high temp it reached was unexpected and so far, unexplained.
http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/news-releases/2006/physics-astron/hottest-z-output.html
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Sandia’s Z machine has produced plasmas that exceed temperatures of 2 billion degrees Kelvin — hotter than the interiors of stars.
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So, I take it back, this process seems to be Q>1, but it may not be fusion at work.
[ This Message was edited by: c0ldfury on 2006-03-10 01:06 ]
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 16:52
hmmmm what contained the heat i need to know that if thats the hottest temperture eached.
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 17:02
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On 2006-03-09 12:47, c0ldfury wrote:
It may create that much power, but it uses even more. The reason it takes so long to prepare it is so the massive banks of capacitors can store enough charge for the big event.
All current operational tokamaks produce a Q less than 1 (ie takes more power than it puts out). The next gen tokamak underway in France, ITER, is the first Q>1 reactor. But it's still only experimental.
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Heard of this earlier last year. Joint venture by a lot of countries. France has a lot of open space, so they decided to do it there. Can't wait to see the results!
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Lux (Polaris)
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 18:00
It's awesome. Just think of the new possibilities that could be opened by fusion power..
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Ramius
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From: Ramius
| Posted: 2006-03-09 19:17
The fusion plasma reaches millions of degrees centigrade. However, the plasma is contained by an electromagnetic torus so it never comes into physical contact with the reactor.
Oh, and ITER was in development for the past 16 years or so.
[ This Message was edited by: Ramius on 2006-03-09 19:18 ]
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Shifcane
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| Posted: 2006-03-09 23:54
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On 2006-03-09 17:02, BackSlash *Jack* [R33] wrote:
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On 2006-03-09 12:47, c0ldfury wrote:
It may create that much power, but it uses even more. The reason it takes so long to prepare it is so the massive banks of capacitors can store enough charge for the big event.
All current operational tokamaks produce a Q less than 1 (ie takes more power than it puts out). The next gen tokamak underway in France, ITER, is the first Q>1 reactor. But it's still only experimental.
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Heard of this earlier last year. Joint venture by a lot of countries. France has a lot of open space, so they decided to do it there. Can't wait to see the results!
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actully the story about that is, that there was a bid around the world for the project... And Canada was in the lead until 23 seconds to the end of the bidding. France put a 15 billion dollar raise on the bit to win the project.... Canada was 23 seconds short because our politicians are to slow... If Canada did win the ITER project then it was to be build 8 km away from my house... the total price to win the project I do believe was in the 120 billion dollar mark and by winning this the winning country didnt have to put a cent in to the construction of this multi trillion dollar project and gained over 100K jobs from around the world over the next 20 years...
I have the pamphlet around the house somewhere that we got when Canada decided to go into bidding.
Its something like that. I got alittle peeved when i heard we lost the project. But i can still go to france to work there 
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Ramius
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| Posted: 2006-03-10 12:55
It was really down to Japan and France at the end.
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| Posted: 2006-03-10 13:18
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On 2006-03-10 12:55, Ramius wrote:
It was really down to Japan and France at the end.
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Yup, it's to do with the open space (if something blows, kablooey).
UK, France, Italy, Japan, America... Tons are in on it though.
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c0ld
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| Posted: 2006-03-10 13:52
Fusion plants don't 'blow', that's fission.
Space was of little concern (only 70 hectares needed). Japan would not have even been in the running otherwise, and the populated town near the site in france would have been a show stopper. Quality of land was more important, it needed to be able to withstand the wieght. Infrastructure and regulations were also important.
Reading through that, the weight of one of the components needed is 600tons! 
[ This Message was edited by: c0ldfury on 2006-03-10 14:09 ]
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