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Sardaukar
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Raven Warriors

Joined: October 08, 2002
Posts: 1656

Posted: 2005-09-18 01:51

Well, it's done. My PC is ordered. As long as I had the right confirmation phone number entered in the order box, it'll ship this week. Heehahahah.

I still have time to edit it, so if anyone who knows this kind of stuff wants to give it a once-over and make sure it's good to go, please do so, I would very much appreciate it!

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Philky!

Joined: July 19, 2004
Posts: 90

Posted: 2005-09-18 05:13

Why would you get a SLI motherboard with an ATI card? nVidia is far superior to anything ATI has to offer. Don't let BackSlash tell you otherwise.
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Sixkiller
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Joined: May 11, 2005
Posts: 1786
From: Netherlands

Posted: 2005-09-18 05:24

listen to backslash:p
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DOM700 [-IMO-]
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Joined: July 26, 2001
Posts: 3175
From: Eckental, Germany, Sol-System

Posted: 2005-09-18 05:28

Quote:

On 2005-09-18 05:13, Philky wrote:
Why would you get a SLI motherboard with an ATI card? nVidia is far superior to anything ATI has to offer. Don't let BackSlash tell you otherwise.

Although his voice can be read in nearly every topic

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RagAnok
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Joined: February 02, 2004
Posts: 237

Posted: 2005-09-18 05:33

this review is from atomic http://www.atomicmpc.com.au

Lighter than the 7800GTX, being equipped with an all-aluminium cooler with no back plate, the 7800GT metaphorically screams in at twenty pixel shader pipelines with seven vertex shaders. In comparison to the 7800GTX, the 7800GT has only had four pixel pipelines and one vertex shader switched off. Where the real changes have occurred is at the frequency level, with a 400MHz core (as compared to the 7800GTX's 430MHz) and 1000MHz GDDR3 memory (as compared to 1200MHz).

It doesn't sport any particularly planet-breaking technology, but rather it plays existing technology faster and more efficiently. Technologies such as 16x anisotropic filtering (albeit not full screen), High Dynamic Range lighting (HDR), radiosity, depth of field and other real time effects, such as water, have all been given a powerful boost. It also now supports 16x antialiasing, however this was cleverly restricted to SLI mode.

As the focus of NVIDIA draws more on raw speed, so has BFG's stance. As such, we're now seeing 7800 series cards being sold at faster than the rated clock speeds – both the core clock frequency and the memory. BFG has bumped this 7800GT to a 425MHz core (merely 5MHz less than the 7800GTX) and ticking in at 1050MHz for the GDDR3 memory.

It's great to see companies such as BFG carrying legacies of pre-overclocking cards. Purchasing a preoverclocked card by the manufacturer means it's covered entirely under warranty. Great news, really, when you consider overclocking is much less an art form than it used to be, yet it still voids those often-handy warranties.

Even though the 7800 series is more of a speed boost to existing technologies, one of the interesting key aspects to come out of this seventh generation NVIDIA card is a technique known as transparency adaptive sampling.

This new filter waves goodbye to the jaggy seemingly-just-floating-there power lines and physics-defying blades of grass.

Whipping out the test results, we were pleased to find another kick arse card that performs on-par in real-world testing with its GTX counterpart. Synthetic testing in 3Dmark05 of course increased the gap by a sizeable margin, so the GTX is obviously more equipped to handle future games with heavier use of shadows and pixel shading techniques.

With the substantial drops in raw frequency, as we've found over the recent years, features are primarily what matter most. Seeing as the pipelines are essentially still intact, this chip has screaming performance. Coupled with a manufacturer's overclock, you're laughing all the way to your SLI rig, especially if you consider the difference in price. It's pretty clear the 7800GT, like the 6800GT before it, will become a standard for its price/performance ratio.

The noise on this card is, surprisingly, a little louder than the 7800GTX cards we've looked at in the past, but not in a particularly cranial-blasting manner. It's only slight, so running two of these beasts would only be a luxury to the senses.

BFG has made this card VIVO compatible, so it not only packs a punch with the exhibited insanely good gaming performance, but it is also equipped with more inputs and outputs than one could toss a monkey at. Which is a damn good thing. Sporting the usual two DVI outs with d-sub adapters, composite and s-video, it also has component out for HDTVs, and as a result, far superior image quality. For video in, it comes with composite and s-video in lines, being the standard form of input these days.

What this card is – and the 7800 range for that matter – is fast, but it's more evolutionary than revolutionary.

Regardless, the 7800GT is quite simply an über multimedia powerhouse, capable of spitting out grunty graphics at a rate very close to that of its superior, only less expensively so. The 7800GT is the overclocker's new pantscreamer, and BFG has pulled out a winner with this tasty piece of PCB.

me drols
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BackSlash
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Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England

Posted: 2005-09-18 08:42

X850XT owns the 7800 in more than 60% of gaming benchmarks...

Can you saw owned?

It's a next gen card and it can barely out perform the x850xt in DX9 apps. Sometimes no were near...

Also SLI, it's so poorly done. You need two 7800's to work it, and both of them will process the same things, but split the load, it's not really that fast. I know, I've had the courtesy of testing it.

X850XT + Crossfire card on the otherhand boasts everything. It's a special card made to handle textures and other things, leaving the main card to work with the pixel pushing. This has shown nearly a 60% performance increase of the SLi cards. It is also more versitile. You can buy a x850 pro, you can buy a x800xt... It will still work for the Crossfire card.

You guys still need to understand, the X850xt is a previous gen card, and it still holds its own and beats the 7800 in a lot of apps. It also has hardware dx9 support (just because it says "DX9 SUPPORTED", doesn't mean its hardware based. Being software means that the machine itself needs to process all the dx9 function calls, and that can slow down a game considerably. Having hardware dx9 increase performance by a lot. Play a game like Half life 2 which is 100% dx9. The ATI cards can run at full dx9 support, with +150 fps at high detail and resolutions. The NVidia cards (if forced to dx9), can barely scratched 70-90. It's almost 200% the performance increase over Nvidia. For that alone I would chose ATI.

Not to mention Nvidia have cheated in the past to try and get better results. They put special codes into their chip to allow their card to get better Futuremark points. They were slated for this, and now they are paying dearly, because no one wants to buy a card that has time wasted on cheating a program into getting more points. Nvidia tried to pull the same stunt with ATI, but after investigation, it was only ATI's functionality that was making an increase in performance.

For a low ranged card, Nvidia.
Medium, ATi
High, ATi

I'm running an identicle system to my friend, who has both the 6800 and the 7800 in SLi. And my system outperforms it in nearly every test (except futuremark and doom3 (opengl), and even then, it's only 100-200 odd points ahead in the futuremark tests, not amazingly fast).

I'm sorry. If you read the facts, you'll find that ATi are far, far surpasing Nvidia at this point intime. When you're beating next gen cards with your old gen cards, theres clearly something wrong.

Especialy when a single x850xt can do the same, performance-wise, as two 7800's..

The x850xt is also cheaper...

Don't believe all that i've said?

(A VERY IMPORTANT POINT - SLI does NOT work well in full dx9 games. It works WORSE)

(Another full dx9 game)

Also note that the next gen ATI card is just around the corner.

That review you read above...Isn't right, I've never even heard of that site... Worth saying that ATi had 16x anastropic years ago. My 9600xt and 9800xt both have the options to use that...

[ This Message was edited by: BackSlash *Jack* on 2005-09-18 08:49 ]
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Sardaukar
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Joined: October 08, 2002
Posts: 1656

Posted: 2005-09-18 11:37

^^^ ATI for the win. I used to be an nVidia lover, but recent discoveries have changed my opinion of them. Especially how ATI has hardware dx9 support.
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Bobamelius
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Galactic Navy

Joined: October 08, 2002
Posts: 2074
From: Ohio

Posted: 2005-09-18 13:46

Go Sard!
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Diabo|ik
Grand Admiral

Joined: August 16, 2002
Posts: 327
From: Quebec, Canada

Posted: 2005-09-18 15:27

Jack... you just made a mistake

.

I always had some doubts about wether or not you were a sophistic afficionado, my doubts are gone, here's why...

It just happens that I remembered where I saw those graphs, tomshardware review of the 7800gtx, that I read 2 days ago...

Quote from Toms "Final Thoughts" : "The numbers clearly speak for themselves: The 7800 GTX in SLI is a must have for any serious gamer. From conversations we have had with system builders, we found out that they are paying up to $200 over MSRP for them, so be prepared to drop a cool $1,600 if you want a set for your SLI rig. "

So considering ALL the benchmark suite which represent most of the DX9 played games out there, he seems to agree that you are wrong.

Quote from Toms "Looking back or forward?" : "While we are not convinced that the NV47 truly went away, the G70 is an impressive chip. To be able to perform better than your competition while consuming less power is quite an achievement. This is the total opposite of what we saw in the mobile space with the GForce6800 Ultra and Mobility X800 XT. "

So again, the 7800GTX isn't REALLY a next gen part tho it DOES support longhorn.

Quote from Toms "Introduction" : " NVIDIA had the lead - well, in the dual graphics department that is. There is one segment they are still looking to claim of course: the single card market. With ATI's next launch of the X850 with Pro, XT, and XT Platinum Edition variants, the single card crown is still held the X850XT PE. NVIDIA took huge strides once again to create a solution which would take the lead away from ATI in the single card arena. In SLI, the card had to be powerful enough to demote their own 6800 Ultra. The 7800 GTX, formerly known as G70, was designed to do just that -as you will see, both crowns now rest firmly on NVIDIA's head. "

He clearly designs the winner before the review even begins...

Yes, I looked at other reviews and compared notes. Yes I looked at all the numbers and saw some odd SLI scores that were lower than non-sli ( not an issue since you can disable one card in windows with a simple click ). But most showed an incredible boost and the on the majority of all benchmarks, the single nvidia card beat or evens the ATI part.

Did I mention ATI crossfire is fubared?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth

For the record I am happy with my "old" Radeon 9800 pro that can still play ALL games at 30 fps or above and MOST games at 60 fps or above. I personnaly think that this performance complex has gone a bit too far... We don't need that much power YET. Seeing Xbox 360's screenshots I can only agree that someday we will need this power... But not for a few years.

If the current trend continues, my next video card acquisition will be a Nvidia part, since I don't like to compromise and have either the features ( gimme my digital vibrance slider ATI and some decent SLI ( not that 60% bus speed crap ) and/or the performance gimped because of X reasons. We pay big bucks for them, so I demand the utmost from em. You should do the same. ( not at you Jack, I know you like the canuck company too much

)

Just for you Jack and everyone looking to upgrade to an ATI board and who wants to have the best bang for your buck, guaranteed :

http://www.techpowerup.com/articles/overclocking/vidcard/127

You can save up to 300$ US with this... with minimal risks... Enjoy

BTW, next time you want to make a point, be certain not to pick your benchmark scores ( old media trick, you can make the numbers say anything as long as you pick them and present them in the right way, grats Jack, you just got an A- in life's marketing class ) and make sure you don't do it from review sites I visit, outsmart me IOWs cause I really "hate" to pop your bubble

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[ This Message was edited by: Diabo|ik on 2005-09-18 15:33 ]
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Sixkiller
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Joined: May 11, 2005
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From: Netherlands

Posted: 2005-09-18 15:32

my radeon 9800 pro is just fine:)
could use some more memmory tough
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Posted: 2005-09-18 18:41

X850XT still owns it in 60% of the tests...

Baaad
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Meko
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Joined: March 03, 2004
Posts: 1956
From: Vancouver

Posted: 2005-09-19 01:25

whats a graphics card? i like 800x600 resolution!
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BackSlash
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Posted: 2005-09-19 01:46

Quote:

On 2005-09-18 15:27, Diabo|ik wrote:
Did I mention ATI crossfire is fubared?

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/CrossfireTruth

Quote the website...

Quote:

NVIDIA tells us the truth about CrossFire

...

NVIDIA tells us the truth about CrossFire, which they don't own, havn't designed...

Crossfire doesn't support Shader 3.0 because thats the job of the MAIN card. Crossfire ONLY does texture rendering and other things that slow down the main card. The main card still controls all the details and card functions.

Bad show by Nvidia (giving false information).

Shader 3.0 isn't supported by ATI yet. R520 is S3.0 compatible. It's the same gen as the 7*** series of NVidia. So you just have to wait a little longer. The new Radeon should be out promptly, because they are in partnership with Valve on this, and want to release the HDR affect for users on ATI cards (because it's an ATI powered game).

If you really need proof that Nvidia fubared up with dx9...

Nvidia
Shader 3.0
Software dx9

ATi
Shader 2.0
Hardware dx9

In HDR tests. The 7800 does MARGINALY better than the x850. Reason being that the hardware dx9 helps in such a way, that even the 9800xt can run just under the 7800 and x850. If ATi had shader 3 (which is being put in now), then you expect ATi to vastly out perform Nvidia cards. Not to mention that no games use full shader 3.0 yet. Theres no need for it. It's another case of Nvidia putting out technology that no one wants to use yet.

[ This Message was edited by: BackSlash *Jack* on 2005-09-19 01:50 ]
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Diabo|ik
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Joined: August 16, 2002
Posts: 327
From: Quebec, Canada

Posted: 2005-09-19 04:42

Of course the Nvidia slideshow is biased

. I'm not saying I believe everything said in it, but a few hard facts ( facts that got verified by independent firms/sites ) ( all buses, usb, pci, pci-e, gimped resolution/refresh in SLI mode ). If they can fix those problems, seeing as the preliminary ATI SLI scores are marginally lower than Nvidias, they COULD take the crown in SLI tests sometimes in the future. But as you know, even current gen ATI parts are scarce, while Nvidia is already flooding the market with their latest 7800gtx parts in huge numbers. One company says something and delivers it within a few weeks notice, while the other says something and don't deliver until a few months passed, by then their competitor got something better to counter them. This reminds me of the litle tag game that occured between 3dfx and Nvidia, while 3dfx always had the upper hand until Nvidia finally released something "revolutionary" ( gefarce one then litteraly put the last nail in the coffin with the GF2 ).

Once ATI actually delivers something revolutionary AGAIN ( ALA radeon 9600 and 9800 which were simply ahead of Nvidia's offering by ALOT for a LONG time ), then I will consider buying an ATI part ( unless I go with that Saphhire x800 GTO² 12 piper -> x850 16 piper mod ), until then, I stick to Nvidia as the next best parts to get if someone wants to upgrade RIGHT NOW to the most performing stuff that money can buy, SLI or single solution.

I have no doubt that they will eventually take back the lead, ATI is a very old company, an old monkey in the business if you wish. They have good R&D, very talentuous engineers and more money than Nvidia could ever dream about for a few years ( they sold cheap parts for almost 10 years non-stop, cheap parts with like a 400% profit margin on them, like those Intel parts that cost 7$ to make but that they can sell for 30-40$ ), they will comeback, till then, I'm not holding my breath since my old trusty 9800 can still do the job for all the latest games and some more...

Last but not least, tell me how the Nvidia part is doing dx9.0 in "software" while dx9.0 has been supported by Nvidia in hardware for the past 2 generations or more, do I have to remember you that the 7800 is longhorn ( dx10 ) ready featureset-wise, right now? Cause I've been reading reviews for years left and right and since the 3dfx "software T&L/shader" emulation ( that was done on the CPU ), I have never seen any emulation notes whatsoever on any DX8.0 and/or Dx9.0+ part from either Nvidia, ATI or even *cough* lowly S3 *cough*. One more thing, if this emulation thingy was true, then we'd see this reflected in scores spanned across multiple CPU speeds, the curve would be different than from a part that does support it in hardware. Once again, beyond3d shows us otherwise ( unbiased, old powerVR fanboys and technical maniacs webby ), if you can read AND understand their reviews, then you got my utmost respect, if you don't, be aware that I can and I WILL prove "any" ( yeah, go fishing now

) sophistic argumentations wrong.

I just love to stretch my tongue in there... Hmmm...

[ This Message was edited by: Diabo|ik on 2005-09-19 05:03 ]
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Posted: 2005-09-19 05:53

the last graphic card I owned was a Tseng Labs ET 4000 with 1 MB RAM, since then, only on-board chips
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