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Iwancoppa
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Joined: November 15, 2008
Posts: 709
|  Posted: 2011-03-30 04:53
Allrighty, lets get straight to the juicy meat in this subject. Read on, and there may be a cookie!
Scrapping.
Perhaps its that thing we do just before we loose planets. Sure, pres loss for that is acceptable - In my book, its not a cool thing to do.
What gets right up in my Grille is the poor build standards of the AI engineer. Sick i am of scrapping half a planet, loosing a bucketload of prestige, then rebuild it to gain only a little just so it is more then a small settlement.
However, all is not bleak! there is a solution or two.
Grand plan of Gratuitous solutoins that would be Cool anyway.
Solution #A. Make those damned AI engineers build like pros. Hey, damn plauyers helping newbs, they can watch our lovely AI build.
Solution #B. Remove scrapping pres loss. IT doesnt really do much, since most planet scrappers have enough pres to shrug it off, while it hurts the newbs trying to build.
Thankyou for reading this Long piece of descriptive Report.
Here is the promised Cookie. Err, Bunny.
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Spicker
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Joined: June 03, 2004
Posts: 177
From: Craiova
| Posted: 2011-03-30 04:56
Solution 3 : lock the planet.
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Kenny_Naboo
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Joined: January 11, 2010
Posts: 3823
From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2011-03-30 05:22
Solution 4.
Blow the AI engi out of the sky! U don't lose much pres either 
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Spicker
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Joined: June 03, 2004
Posts: 177
From: Craiova
| Posted: 2011-03-30 08:29
Solution 5 : Cancel his order to build that rock.
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SpaceGK
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*Renegade Space Marines*
Joined: July 26, 2009
Posts: 323
From: Ontario, Canada
| Posted: 2011-03-30 10:56
How about the scrapping press is kept the same since its fine and i believe the same pres is lost for scrapping as is gained for building the structure.
To prevent people from scrapping a planet before it is captured since i think thats a rather desperate thing to do, how about its require that a ship use its building drones to scrap a structure. This means that a structure (and of course the whole planet) couldn't be scraped from a different system since you would have to be in orbit. A timer could also be implamented with maybe 1/4 of the structures original build times so that an engie couldn't point jump into orbit and then say bye bye to 32 structures in 12 seconds.
Thoughts?
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Talien
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Joined: May 11, 2010
Posts: 2044
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2011-03-30 11:26
I'm not 100% sure but it seemed like you lose more pres for scrapping something than you gain from building it last time I checked, but either way the pres loss for scrapping a planet before capture is enough to deter most people from doing it.
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Kaepora
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Joined: February 08, 2011
Posts: 77
| Posted: 2011-03-30 14:07
Losing pres for scrapping is to prevent farming. It HAS to be higher than build pres or you could sit in rogens all day scrapping/building.
It's much easier to just shut down all research/domes. Kills the tech and pop, leaving the planet unusable for a while. Or if they dont kill inf first, order them to raze after it's taken. Instant elite farm.
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NoBoDx
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Joined: October 14, 2003
Posts: 784
From: Germany / NRW
| Posted: 2011-03-30 15:11
afaik building pres is awarded for time spent building
so basically building a dome with 1 drone awards twice as much pres as building with 2 ( and take 2x as long)
i guess the pres loss would be equal to building with one drone
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Gejaheline
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 19, 2005
Posts: 1127
From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
| Posted: 2011-03-30 15:18
Mmm-hmm. Simple solution to prestige loss from scrapping: Set infantry to raze and position them on top of important structures, causing them to demolish everything when the enemy captures the planet.
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SpaceGK
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Joined: July 26, 2009
Posts: 323
From: Ontario, Canada
| Posted: 2011-03-30 16:06
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On 2011-03-30 15:11, NoBoDx wrote:
afaik building pres is awarded for time spent building
so basically building a dome with 1 drone awards twice as much pres as building with 2 ( and take 2x as long)
i guess the pres loss would be equal to building with one drone
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If I'm not mistaken, building pres awarded is calculated by:
buildTime*numberOfDrones*presMultiplier
Meaning that no matter how many drones you build with you will still gain the same amount of pres.
Assuming that you were to get 2 prestige for each building point you earned: which I believe you actually earn more then that
Building with 1 drone:
build time = 30 seconds
drones = 1
multiplier = 2
prestige earned = buildTime*numberOfDrones*presMultiplier
prestige earned = 30*1*2
60 prestige = 30*1*2
So... 60 pres is gained.
Building with 2 drones:
build time = 15 seconds
drones = 2
multiplier = 2
prestige earned = buildTime*numberOfDrones*presMultiplier
prestige earned = 15*2*2
60 prestige = 15*2*2
So... 60 pres is gained.
As you can see, you will gain the same amount of prestige for building no matter how many drones you use, since less drones == more time building.
If you use build enhancements then you will build fater and therefore you will gain less pres for bulding then you do for scrapping the same structure since you spent less time building.
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Shigernafy
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Joined: May 29, 2001
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From: The Land of Taxation without Representation
| Posted: 2011-03-30 19:58
Scrapping prestige and build prestige are currently equal for a given building, except...
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If you use build enhancements then you will build fater and therefore you will gain less pres for bulding then you do for scrapping the same structure since you spent less time building. |
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On the original suggestion, if you have a suggestion for something the AI should do differently, feel free to suggest, but they're never going to be ideal builders just because they're not actually intelligent and can't make the judgements necessary to have a purpose built planet.
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SpaceAdmiral
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Joined: May 05, 2010
Posts: 1005
| Posted: 2011-03-30 21:21
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On 2011-03-30 19:58, Shigernafy wrote:
Scrapping prestige and build prestige are currently equal for a given building, except...
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If you use build enhancements then you will build fater and therefore you will gain less pres for bulding then you do for scrapping the same structure since you spent less time building. |
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On the original suggestion, if you have a suggestion for something the AI should do differently, feel free to suggest, but they're never going to be ideal builders just because they're not actually intelligent and can't make the judgements necessary to have a purpose built planet.
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For one can we make them not make mines? They seem to like building the basic mine even if a better mine is available.
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Alex Heartnet (Rebellious Rogue)
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Joined: November 22, 2009
Posts: 17
| Posted: 2011-03-30 23:27
How about we have the AI engineers rebuild planets based off of a preset blueprint that the players themselves assign to planets? That will not only save said building headaches, but also save players the hassle of replacing buildings, as long as the damage to the planet is not to severe.
"ICC Engineer XXI cannot build on due to "
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Kenny_Naboo
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Joined: January 11, 2010
Posts: 3823
From: LobsterTown
| Posted: 2011-03-30 23:50
You're all making this thing too complicated......
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On 2011-03-30 05:22, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Solution 4.
Blow the AI engi out of the sky! U don't lose much pres either
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*BOOM!* Problem solved.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo[+R] on 2011-03-30 23:51 ]
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Iwancoppa
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Posts: 709
| Posted: 2011-03-31 00:56
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On 2011-03-30 23:50, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
You're all making this thing too complicated......
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On 2011-03-30 05:22, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Solution 4.
Blow the AI engi out of the sky! U don't lose much pres either
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*BOOM!* Problem solved.
[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo[+R] on 2011-03-30 23:51 ]
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