On 2010-11-23 22:38, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
Funny that.

Cos some K'luth players were saying that the game's changed for them too. Where they could hull a UGTO dread before, they can't anymore, after the recent patches.

In short, they're getting the feeling that K'luth weaps' been nerfed somehow. But, it's just a feeling, no substantiated evidence yet. Everybody always feels as if they're getting the short end of the stick.


To be straight, UGTO has had not much problems fighting us because they have the numbers.

If ICC doesn't have the numbers, then we can't really help it can't we?

You'd be as helpless against a UGTO Station/Dread spam as much as a K'luth incursion. Just like in the Babyeater thread, if numbers or rank don't favor you, it's situational/seasonal, and we can't very well buff your ships or nerf the other factions ships just to cater to your apparent numerical disadvantage.


Basically, if you're in small groups of 5 or less dreads/stations, then you're easy pickings for Kluth.

If you're in a group upwards of 8 heavies, then K'luth is going to have a hard time as you coordinate your pinging with each other and then direct concentrated fire on any contacts that pop out or decloak. Because of the weak armor, K'luths simply cannot handle a protracted battle.

In victory, it all depends on your criteria. I see that you want kills. Some ppl may think that forcing the enemy to retreat is already a victory unto itself.


[ This Message was edited by: Kenny_Naboo[+R] on 2010-11-23 23:50 ]

On 2010-11-24 00:30, SpaceAdmiral wrote:
Kluth do have it alot harder now with the 15 sec timer.
In small ship vs small ship, i can say luth pretty much have the advantage (my kluth alt experiences), but their small ships can't do anything to larger ones.
For instance: I tried the parasite cruiser, was able to make a dessie flee, a cruiser flee, then had to retreat. Later I uncloaked next to some fellow dreads killing an EAD. I kid you not, one alpha destroyed my armor and bit into my hull, 2 alphas could possibly mean death if you are already somewhat damaged.

Some kluth nerfs cater to nerf kluth big ships, with no regards as to the consequences on small ships.

--Kluth range nerf.
-now dreads with cannons as secondary weapons have to use them a bit closer.
-small ships have to go into the danger zone (under 600gu from a dread) to score a few hits.

--Cloak timer nerf
-that siphon has to bear with fire and lose another 20-30 hull
-that cruiser dies if you catch it with an EAD/AD after it has decloaked

ECCM is also stronger than ECM in my experience, so in large numbers humans will win, in small numbers kluth usually wins.
why?
-more humans=more eccm
-as there is more focused fire, humans can knock out dreads before they can cloak and use ahr/jump away.

Also, kluth is also the easiest to use tactics with. This stems from 2 reasons:
-experienced players
-cloak/predator/trapper nature of ships

On 2010-11-23 22:38, Kenny_Naboo[+R] wrote:
If ICC doesn't have the numbers, then we can't really help it can't we?

You'd be as helpless against a UGTO Station/Dread spam as much as a K'luth incursion. Just like in the Babyeater thread, if numbers or rank don't favor you, it's situational/seasonal, and we can't very well buff your ships or nerf the other factions ships just to cater to your apparent numerical disadvantage.