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Kaoschan
Fleet Admiral
Interstellar Cultural Confederation United
Joined: October 11, 2008
Posts: 133
From: Germany
|  Posted: 2010-07-13 11:47
It seems that with the latest patch for the priority logic, AI transport tend to ignore SY planets or even remove resources from them.
I observed a few AI Transports and their planets and it seems now that the priority is only based on the planets resources.
If a planet has low rescource amounts, the AI tends to fill up the planet by removing resources from others (even SY planets) and at some point planets tend to go into an cycle of grab and drop.
Example
2 Planets, 1 SY 1 Mining both Starports
SY planet got 50k, Mining one 100k - now the AI ships a load of resources from Minign to SY
Sy got 100k, Mining 50k - now the AI does the same as above, but changes the planets.
Mingin got 100k again, SY 50k.
This cycle repeats for all infinite until the native Production of the planets hit the maximum.
The problem is that SY planets gets their resources removed, makeing the whole Transport-stuff useless.
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The Fridge
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Templar Knights
Joined: December 13, 2008
Posts: 559
From: In Your Fridge, Eating your Foods.
| Posted: 2010-07-13 12:08
Do you have to put the star port down for a player to drop res?
If No, there's your answer i suppose.
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Rebellion
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From: sol
| Posted: 2010-07-13 12:20
from my exprience it seems to work as intended
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Faustus
Marshal
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 2748
From: Austin, Texas
| Posted: 2010-07-13 12:51
It needs some tweaking... still working on the logic.
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NoBoDx
Grand Admiral
Joined: October 14, 2003
Posts: 784
From: Germany / NRW
| Posted: 2010-07-13 13:29
what about:
1 list all planets
2 drop all planets not friendly
3 drop all planets under blockade / enemy detected
4 order planet-list ( least ress -> most ress)
5 check if last planet (with most ress) have sy
5.1 if so, skip planet -> check planet with second-most ress (and so on)
5.2 else fly to the planet
6 load max possible ressourses (maybe leave xxx ress on planet)
7 check, if planet with least ressources changed (enemy blockade present)
8 fly to planet
9 drop ressources
10 repeat
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Wild Cat
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Joined: August 28, 2004
Posts: 109
From: The Netherlands
| Posted: 2010-07-13 13:54
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On 2010-07-13 12:51, Faustus wrote:
It needs some tweaking... still working on the logic.
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Are AI transports effect by disabling/enabling a shipyard?
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NoBoDx
Grand Admiral
Joined: October 14, 2003
Posts: 784
From: Germany / NRW
| Posted: 2010-07-13 13:56
you mean starport ?
if the starport is disabled, you cant pull any res from a planet
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MrSparkle
Marshal
Joined: August 13, 2001
Posts: 1912
From: mrsparkle
| Posted: 2010-07-13 15:43
Shipyards should have absolute #1 priority, even if every other planet is near 0 resources. Only when there's no shipyard present (including being blockaded) will other planets start receiving shipments.
Of course when there's multiple shipyards, those with the fewest resources get shipments first.
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PhiliChez
Admiral
Joined: April 12, 2010
Posts: 28
| Posted: 2010-07-13 17:44
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On 2010-07-13 13:29, NoBoDx wrote:
what about:
1 list all planets
2 drop all planets not friendly
3 drop all planets under blockade / enemy detected
4 order planet-list ( least ress -> most ress)
5 check if last planet (with most ress) have sy
5.1 if so, skip planet -> check planet with second-most ress (and so on)
5.2 else fly to the planet
6 load max possible ressourses (maybe leave xxx ress on planet)
7 check, if planet with least ressources changed (enemy blockade present)
8 fly to planet
9 drop ressources
10 repeat
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they should just automticly put res on sy planet untill full, which should never happen. if other planets have less then 30K then they should mine for it.
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Fatal Perihelion
Chief Marshal
Fatal Squadron
Joined: April 15, 2010
Posts: 308
| Posted: 2010-07-13 23:46
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On 2010-07-13 11:47, Kaoschan wrote:
It seems that with the latest patch for the priority logic, AI transport tend to ignore SY planets or even remove resources from them.
I observed a few AI Transports and their planets and it seems now that the priority is only based on the planets resources.
If a planet has low rescource amounts, the AI tends to fill up the planet by removing resources from others (even SY planets) and at some point planets tend to go into an cycle of grab and drop.
Example
2 Planets, 1 SY 1 Mining both Starports
SY planet got 50k, Mining one 100k - now the AI ships a load of resources from Minign to SY
Sy got 100k, Mining 50k - now the AI does the same as above, but changes the planets.
Mingin got 100k again, SY 50k.
This cycle repeats for all infinite until the native Production of the planets hit the maximum.
The problem is that SY planets gets their resources removed, makeing the whole Transport-stuff useless.
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Same here:
If there are few res on sy, putting starport on makes ai bring res fast,
if its about 100k or less, we got to stop starport, otherwise res will be contiously taken away.
Looks like the ai just evens the res.
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James 296
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Joined: March 19, 2009
Posts: 141
| Posted: 2010-07-13 23:50
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On 2010-07-13 12:51, Faustus wrote:
It needs some tweaking... still working on the logic.
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that's true for all AI in this game. they always need a little bit of tweaking.....stupid AI T.T
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Lark of Serenity
Grand Admiral
Raven Warriors
Joined: June 02, 2002
Posts: 2516
| Posted: 2010-07-14 00:20
having the ai extractors actually do something would be nice, IE orbit SY planets and mine for them
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Wild Cat
Fleet Admiral
Joined: August 28, 2004
Posts: 109
From: The Netherlands
| Posted: 2010-07-14 07:01
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On 2010-07-13 13:56, NoBoDx wrote:
you mean starport ?
if the starport is disabled, you cant pull any res from a planet
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No I mean the shipyard, I'm aware that a starport needs to active to enable AI to transfer resource from or to the planet. In the 1.535 6th of July release, I believe to have seen the AI start removing resources when the shipyard got disabled.
I wish we had some control over the starport, a toggle option to limit it to import only, export only or both.
This would leave much more control in the player their hands to decide if a planet is exporting resources only (hence a mining planet) or when a planet will be importing resources. I assume that having the AI think for them self`s would require much more and complex logic.
But I’m no code monkey, for all I know, what I believe to be simple is actually even more complex 
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MrSparkle
Marshal
Joined: August 13, 2001
Posts: 1912
From: mrsparkle
| Posted: 2010-07-14 11:46
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On 2010-07-14 00:20, Lark of Serenity wrote:
having the ai extractors actually do something would be nice, IE orbit SY planets and mine for them
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Oh they mine, I just never see them unload before they randomly get another order and leave.
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Talien
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Joined: May 11, 2010
Posts: 2044
From: Michigan
| Posted: 2010-07-14 15:37
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On 2010-07-14 00:20, Lark of Serenity wrote:
having the ai extractors actually do something would be nice, IE orbit SY planets and mine for them
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They do.
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