On 2010-06-13 19:20, Lark of Serenity wrote:
the following is the result of discussions with kluth players and from my personal experiences flying in scenario and MV.

ICC defense:

I haven't popped in to check def mode just yet, but im hearing some intriguing reports.

A) a CD versus a TC, CD didnt even get hull damage

pilot incompetency? shield rotation?

B) a line station versus an UGTO SS, the line station lost despite def mode being on.

SS was probably uber repping itself, def mode drains energy, icc line stn not that good, UGTO ss is like the best. also, enhancements?

On 2010-06-13 19:20, Lark of Serenity wrote:


there are a few issues here:

A) ICC, the long range faction, is at a serious disadvantage versus kluth, the short range faction that cannot be fired at from long range. theres been a lot of discussion about this already, so i will merely highlight again that it is an issue. various suggestions have been thrown out, like having cloak be less effective the further away the cloaked ship is, etc. perhaps having different ranged ECCM devices with different intensity of effects (e.g. a very high power long range ECCM and a weaker short range ECCM?) would be an option? what do kluth think?

B) pinging needs to be altered somehow. while i do not agree it is necessarily bad as a gameplay mechanic, i do agree that its too easy to ping an absurd amount and make kluth cloak ineffective. perhaps EW slots need to be reduced, or ECCM needs to be relegated to its own slot and not be switchable with ECM and scanner.

C) on the flip side, i think when a ship gets beaconed the effect should be increased a small amount. beacon speed should be reduced a bit to compensate, but when a cloaked ship gets beaconed it should be a bigger deal in my mind. part of the reason kluth are so hard to kill is that they are invisible, if we are going to sacrifice a combat ship for a weak little scout or a destroyer to beacon them it should count for something.

D) also on the flip side, kluth should have a frigate class EW boat like ICC, and ecm slots should be stripped out from their higher class ships. if we have to take a frigate for EW so should luthies! =P

enhancments should have set value increases, not percentage increases

for the obvious reason that if i have a weapon that does 40 damage and my friend fighting me has a weapon that does 10 damage, and we each choose to buff our damage output, i just got a lot more for my buck than he or she did.

repair rates, as wonderfully highlighted by the UGTO

a limitation needs to be placed on the number of supply drones a single ship can accept, or a system of diminishing returns needs to be put in place, or all factions should have something similar to def mode during which they can repair but cannot shoot (who the hell is going to volunteer to go outside and weld new chunks of armour onto my hull in the middle of a fight anyways exactly???)

a touchy issue that requires serious discussion none-the-less

i think development should be a more inclusive process. for one, i have heard concerns voiced that the devs do not completely represent all 3 factions, which whether or not is based in fact can still go a long way to the perception of fairness about the game. the 3 most senior devs should hail from each faction respectively, and should have no veto power over one another.

secondly, as has been highlighted in the discussions about ICC v kluth and EW, a lot of issues come down to perception: that means that one person isnt going to be an expert on any issue, instead you need people who represent each faction sharing their perspectives and coming to a consensus on what is an issue and how to fix it. i think its unfair that suggestions that each faction be able to elect a dev representative have been shot down. there are people on each faction who want a fair and balanced game that is fun to play and spend a lot of time posting here in the forums and debating with one another to figure out what exactly that should look like, and half the time it is NOT the devs who are those people. instead the results of serious discussions between faction players get laughed at. this is not fair to us as players. please put in place a system where our input is guarenteed to be heard, and it is guarenteed to have an effect.

On 2010-06-14 15:54, Sputter{TB} *TO* wrote:
hmm i've been playing icc for a very long time and i don't see too much wrong with it besides a few layout changes to a few of our ships like the CD for example, and def mode shouldn't be needed during combat because our shields are fine i think, but not we will have a way to rep faster out of combat instead of waiting 20mil+ for shields to regen, and don't go changing the AD anyone will tell you it is one of if not the best assualt class dread out there and if your having problems it would be due to lack of skill

On 2010-06-14 15:54, Sputter{TB} *TO* wrote:
hmm i've been playing icc for a very long time and i don't see too much wrong with it besides a few layout changes to a few of our ships like the CD for example, and def mode shouldn't be needed during combat because our shields are fine i think, but not we will have a way to rep faster out of combat instead of waiting 20mil+ for shields to regen, and don't go changing the AD anyone will tell you it is one of if not the best assualt class dread out there and if your having problems it would be due to lack of skill