On 2008-10-07 18:16, Delando wrote:
I'm starting to get the feeling that ICC is faction that 's worst off in this version.
Here's why:
1.) Weapon Damge Reduction: Lost access to particle cannons, flux canon. Core weapon when from the strongest to weakest, Ion cannon also no longer do sym dmg.

The above is acceptable, following the doctrine icc is the "defensive" faction
However, the next point is not.

2.) Shield have be came the weakest from of defence. This is suppose to be ICC's strong point, a quick-recharging, flexible defence. Yet as many have noticed, the shield in this version recharges slower.
What worse is that kluth and ugto have faster methods of repairs now. Kluth dread now can carry 2 Automated Repairs, which effectively, if not by design, healed them faster than icc dreads.

Ugto is the biggest winner here however, with the poliferation of supply platforms, they can return to the battle quicker than either of two factions.
The ugto 7100 adv engi, with 2 build slots, can turn out 1 sup plat every minute. While icc can also build sup plats for armor repair, they have to wait for their shields to recharge.

The ICC shield has become a liability. Making icc both the weakest on offence, and average, if not weakest at Defence as well.

On 2008-10-07 19:20, BackSlash *Jack* wrote:

I'm sorry - lolwut?

Yes, some of the ICC weapons have had their damaged reduced - but not by HUGE amounts. The difference between UGTO and K'luth in weapons damage, is not the same between ICC and UGTO. You're also not meant to be using other factions weapons. Otherwise everyone would be totting K'luth ones. NO, it's not going back.

The Ion cannon losing EMP damage was neccesairy, as was removing all traces of EMP damage from ALL core weapons. EMP is a UGTO faction trait, and it stays with them. The huge amount of damage from the Ion, was also being done as EMP damage - meaning the moment it hit hull, all systems got fried - INSTANTLY. This was not intended, it's not getting put back on.

ICC shields have lower hit points than armour. This is to offset the fact that shields can be rotated. This means that at ANY time, if YOU use it correctly, you can bring roughly 3.5x the amount of armour ANY same class ship in the game, to one arc almost instantly. We found that if we gave shields 1x the amount standard armour had, they became unkillable. They are balanced - you just need to use your ships wisely, and to rotate your shields. You also have Aux Shield Generators to offset the fact that other factions can repair their armour (K'luth auto HULL repair, only repairs hull).

ICC have more ranged weapons on their ships than any other faction. Their weapons also fire further. I went toe-to-toe with an AD earlier, and it was able to fire it's F-torps WAY earlier than I could fire my P torps - they also were a damn sight better at hitting me due to being faster.

Just because you're unable to adapt to changes made doesn't make the faction rubbish. I've gone 1 on 1 many ICC ships, and they've either given me a good run for my money, or I've died.

- Jack

On 2008-10-07 20:53, BackSlash *Jack* wrote:
The armour types are for UGTO only.

K'luth have cloak.
ICC have harsh words and good intentions.
UGTO have a single type of armour.


So, we designed two armour types for them - the other factions were never designed to have access to them (I think).

On 2008-10-07 21:43, Crim {Pants?} wrote:
Christ sake, ICC's players are the whiniest I've ever seen so far.


We do fine as a faction, we're pretty dominate when we have a group going.

We're not as good as everyone else stat wise, but I havent been beat in any of the fights I've been in as ICC.