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thundercat984
Cadet
Joined: December 31, 2005
Posts: 166
From: southern us
|  Posted: 2006-02-10 02:46
Why do ppl act like pickets are the plague or something? My fleet is new,thus full of newbs(including myself) and for the most part pickets are all they got. i don't mind ppl fighting and killing them but lets hear less rude comments about it. These are Lt. commanders, not seasoned vets with umpteen thousand prestige(like so many in mv). So, they need every edge they can get and if a newb in a picket dessy is to much for u mv players with all your dreads and stations running around then something is seriously wrong.
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Crim
Fleet Admiral
Sundered Weimeriners
Joined: March 16, 2003
Posts: 1336
| Posted: 2006-02-10 02:49
wine wine wine! It goes good with Cheese
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thundercat984
Cadet
Joined: December 31, 2005
Posts: 166
From: southern us
| Posted: 2006-02-10 03:19
Didn't know when I posted there was already an extensive thread about picket/eds. So before it's mentioned sorry about that. on the other hand colds thread was about being called a newb. This one is more about the fact that the pilots really are newbs, and picket/escorts are the only cap ship they have. All i'm asking is a little understanding towards FD or usnc or whatever kk decides to change the name to. When they get up some pres. i'll tell them to give up the pickets as it only causes problems but for now it's all they got. So you know some common courtesy is not asking a whole lot.
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BackSlash
Marshal
Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2006-02-10 06:02
The reason nobody likes them is because they are used different to what they where intended.
Both the escort and picket dessie have very high defence for destroyers (as intended), and coupled with the ICC shield bug, it makes them a very nasty force to reckon with (the escort IS worse than the picket).
The problem lies in their ability to fit a high amount of cannons, and have enough energy to fly around at max speed whilst firing those cannons.
So you have high defence, high manouverbility, high damage... Perfect ship in the game. Except it was never meant to be that way, and the ships require no skill to fly. I'd advise your fleet to stop using them, since once they are removed, or when they do stop flying them, they will find it VERY hard to adjust to the rest of the ships, since those two ships are by far, the most superior ships in the game.
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Light-of-Aurora
Grand Admiral
Joined: December 01, 2003
Posts: 602
From: NJ, USA
| Posted: 2006-02-10 08:15
All players have access to the real best combat ship in the game.
The UGTO Assault Corvette, or the ICC Sensor Corvette.
They're faster, more maneuverable, fill your fleet up with those and swarm enemies, that's what we did once  Except most of my fleet is gone now, so yeh..
Their lack of mass, I guess, allow for the fastest reloading Jump Drives in the game, and they have the highest top speed in the game. Running away from any ship is possible, unless the enemy is effectively using the interdictor fields.
Pathetically low prestige loss, lowest resource requirements, no rank or badges required.
They get killed by beams though, but staying out of range is easy enough. It's important to work with other scouts or other ships; otherwise, it will take a while to bring down armor.
Another benefit, people haven't started complaining very much about Corvettes, and the only reason they might insult you is because you're using the lowest combat ship.
Most only see Corvettes as minor 'pests,' but their ability to dodge fire shouldn't be underestimated. The UGTO Assault Corvette has the firepower of the Interceptor Frigate minus 1 launcher, 1 Flux Wave.
Sort of like Zerg Zergling swarms, except better..
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The Corvette hull repairs so fast.. maybe because they don't have much hull to repair 
Jump out early!
I've never seen corvettes swarm at a large scale.. eeevverrryyyboddyy loves the big ships :/
[ This Message was edited by: [AÐ]Light-of-Aurora on 2006-02-10 08:31 ]
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Enterprise
Chief Marshal
Raven Warriors
Joined: May 19, 2002
Posts: 2576
From: Hawthorne, Nevada
| Posted: 2006-02-10 09:47
Pretty uch what to say has already been said.
Most of the most powerful ships in the game are easily accessable from the beginning - scouts and frigates are enormously superior to most Cruisers and Dreadnoughts. Destroyers - especially the escort and picket - can solo most fleets (I have seen a single escort dessy take on and win against 9 UGTO ships - 7 of which were Cruisers and Dreadnoughts).
Thus - we no likey.
Others whom are newbies may or may not look down upon the use of these ships, but the majority of the playerbase generally looks down upon the use of those ships unless they are used as intended - especially in the case of Escort and Picket Destroyers.
Of course many may be asking "If it wasn't intended to be a gunboat, then why can we make it into one?" and the answer is simply a lack of developer foresight. No one who tested the Beta actually thought of them being able to weild 10+ cannons until release, and that was too late. They are meant as Point Defence boats for larger ships however.
So, if you don't mind the rude comments, and don't mind the fact that when its fixed you will know nothing about combat - then keep using them. But if you wish to really gain a degree of skill (and respectability) in game, there are definately other ships to use other than these two.
-Ent
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Doran
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 29, 2003
Posts: 4032
From: The Gideon Unit
| Posted: 2006-02-10 09:57
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On 2006-02-10 06:02, BackSlash *Jack* wrote:
The reason nobody likes them is because they are used different to what they where intended.
if people acutally put or kept CLs on them, there probably would be as much complaining, they're both 4cannons/8CL stock, and 4 of those cls on the ED are PBd. they would also be good for anti-scout use
Both the escort and picket dessie have very high defence for destroyers (as intended), and coupled with the ICC shield bug, it makes them a very nasty force to reckon with (the escort IS worse than the picket).
manouverablily is also an issue, at least with the ED, its rate of turn is about 20, a ugto frigate is about 22, and a ugto dessie is closer 14. this gives the ED the ability to dodge most of what gets shot at it. as is, its 4 shields even reactive10s are redundant to the point of over kill, 4 STDArmor10 is adequate protection for most fleet engagements(to say nothing of single handedly taking on a couple kluth cruisers and a dread)
The problem lies in their ability to fit a high amount of cannons, and have enough energy to fly around at max speed whilst firing those cannons.
just 12 level5 cannons each, arcs are slightly better on the PD tho. PD has 9 fore, 8 on either side, and 7 to the rear. ED's 7 fore and rear, and 8 each side as i recall
So you have high defence, high manouverbility, high damage... Perfect ship in the game. Except it was never meant to be that way, and the ships require no skill to fly. and if you do put skill behind it, look out I'd advise your fleet to stop using them, since once they are removed, or when they do stop flying them, they will find it VERY hard to adjust to the rest of the ships, since those two ships are by far, the most superior ships in the game.
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BackSlash
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2006-02-10 10:43
Exactly Doran!
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ForMichael
Joined: June 11, 2004
Posts: 61
| Posted: 2006-02-10 15:18
I will continue to use Escort destroyers until they are removed from the game.
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Tbone
Grand Admiral
Joined: July 21, 2001
Posts: 1756
From: Vancouver
| Posted: 2006-02-10 15:42
Yes AntDizzle, we know you will.
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Bobamelius
Grand Admiral
Galactic Navy
Joined: October 08, 2002
Posts: 2074
From: Ohio
| Posted: 2006-02-10 18:24
Hey! Assault Corvettes aren't pests; they're downright lethal. Give me enough time and I'll kill anything.
Borgie knows how deadly they can be... and yes, it is a real ship.
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Borgie
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Pitch Black
Joined: August 15, 2005
Posts: 2256
From: close by
| Posted: 2006-02-10 19:16
lock this plz
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