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Enterprise
Chief Marshal
Raven Warriors
Joined: May 19, 2002
Posts: 2576
From: Hawthorne, Nevada
|  Posted: 2005-07-24 07:12
Simple as the header.
Im going to, for the next 2 weeks be playing on K'luth, and I plan on, continuously, testing different loudouts and functions of the K'luth ships. As of this post, this is Day 2.
Because of continuously being told "I dont play KLuth so I woulden't know" phrases, I decided to jump off GTN for a little while and go to Kluth, Raven indeed has also went there to help out for the time being.
I also additionally, found it kinda amusing to see BUMS and Wolf, two fleets who were all Kluth during 1.482 or so, suddenly have jumped ship to ICC for what I can only guess is the fact that they aren't winning.
Talk about loyalty indeed.
Aside from that, I have already played with a few of the toys K'luth have, and this is the report I have so far.
So far, the things I feel need to change are:
- Cloak- Its buggy. It takes approx. 5 seconds, in a dread to decloak, and around 1-2 seconds to recloak. This seems to be the opposite of the factions intention.
- Distruptor Assault-Even for a heavy beam, its recharge is a staggering 12 seconds at level ten, IMO, reduce the recharge timer to around 6-8 seconds. Keep the energy drain the same however...
- Reload- Playing in a Ultimate Worker for about a few hours, I found that you had to uncloak to use reloads quite a nuisence, and with a thin layer of full armor, it is certainly not worth it, especially as it takes about 6 seconds to uncloak and recloak. Allow the reload to work under cloak, but keep the paper thin armor (like a second full layer, aint much) to handle damage at least close to on par of Human supplys.
- Beacons- In my honest opinion, I like better the idea of the beacon increasing the recloaking time of Kluth ships, and I also am (and always have been) in favor of removing the beacon by reload. As it is now, beacons can be spammed as a ship passes under you and have no way to avoid it.
- ECCM Pinging- I personally have felt, even before going Kluth that ECCM pinging is an exploit, it was never intended to be used that way, and should not be allowed until it is fixed, even if it only allows a breif glimse, it lets your enemy know your there, and kinda gets rid of the suprise attacks.
- Bombing- Only two requests : A: Remove the fighter bays off of the Clavete, and replace them with one more Bomb slot. Additionally, Bios should come as 12, like every other bomb in the game, and reduce the Advanced Carrier to 2 bomb slots.
Thats all for now really on needed fixes.
Also, I have been playing around with the mandi, meself.
I have found, myself indeed, that I can fly full speed with one, and alpha not once, not twice, but four times before I needed to slow down and recharge.
Four times. I got to an Assault Dreadnoughts hull on the second one.
The Mandy as it currently stands has no energy problems, and seems on par as an assault ship more than a frontline attacker. I plan on trying with cannons and other loadouts later, along with the other Kluth Dreads...
More to come...
-Ent
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Drow
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Joined: June 06, 2003
Posts: 449
From: USA, WI
| Posted: 2005-07-24 07:19
Nice work. Do not forget the smaller ships, like the scout that can not use cloak without energy loss unless you mod the enginges.
And a great idea. For all who just complain that others are *complain*. Play that faction for a week. Get a better feel for it.
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Banshee
Grand Admiral
Raven Warriors
Joined: August 28, 2001
Posts: 2181
From: Philadelphia, PA
| Posted: 2005-07-24 07:35
Well put Ent.
Its indeed being an interesting adventure to say the least, nothing like having a L10 Assault Dread jump on your lowly L0 Frigate.
So to add to what Ent said, K'luth frigates need a little tweaking. Generally they seem to be alright as all round support, but could do with a slight increase on the defensive front.
Granted it does seem right that an Assault Dread of all things should vapourise a frigate, but now im starting to see the downsides to it from a newer players point of view.
From 7 deaths yesterday, 2 lag related, 5 frigates, I lost the equivilant of Commander Rank.
You try telling a newbie thats the odd's he's facing, especially when the big boys like to single out the small guys 
Now I will stop this blatant hijack of steves diary and let him get on with it.
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Joined: July 26, 2001
Posts: 55
From: UK
| Posted: 2005-07-24 07:46
Yep the low level ships do need to get better, currently it pretty much impossible for any new players to gain combat pres, they simply cannot damage the bigger ships.
I think the best way would be to give MUCH more ships damaged points for hitting shields/armor, since all dreads etc are now 90% armor and shields you barly get to hit the hull, which is what gives the pres.
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Russian Roulette with Muskets
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Joined: September 04, 2002
Posts: 393
| Posted: 2005-07-24 08:21
bring back grouping....
before you are going frenzy on the beacons keep in mind: There has to be a time frame for the average Humam fleet to inflict damage on the kluth ship.
With their current armor, they can take quite some beating and if they are able to recloack they can most likely slip away without even getting their hull scratched.
The impact of the beacon on the cloack needs to be big enough to open up a time frame long enough to beat the shiznit outa them.
I very well remember the "terror cloackers" in starfleet command 3, nailing even the biggest ships with hit and run tactics: decloack, fire, recloack, not leaving enough time to inflict serious damage on them, (frigates cloack and decloack very fast in sfc3)
That broke sfc3 multiplayer and it will break ds. King arthur for example has used the "new" kluth quite efficently, now imagine a hole faction full of king arthurs and no usefull way to track em long enough to break their defenses.
The combination "invisible + super-firepower" has broken any game so far.
The "low fire power + invisible + speed" would have been a better foundation for the kluth.
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BackSlash
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Galactic Navy
Joined: March 23, 2003
Posts: 11183
From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-07-24 09:25
FYI, AD can only be upgraded to L8, and its recharge time is in proportion to its damage. It is the most damaging beam weapon in the game...
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NoPants2win
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Joined: February 23, 2002
Posts: 1275
From: Poorly ventilated paint storage facility.
| Posted: 2005-07-24 09:42
Im thinkin cloaked supply ships reloading dreads in the middle of a fight would be a real problem. I'd say an armor boost would be a little more balanced approach to the problem.
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Binks
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Joined: November 28, 2003
Posts: 469
| Posted: 2005-07-24 10:37
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| Cloak- Its buggy. It takes approx. 5 seconds, in a dread to decloak, and around 1-2 seconds to recloak. This seems to be the opposite of the factions intention. |
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I agree completely, swap cloak and decloak times...I hate decloaking only to have my prey turn and jump out before I can fire...
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| Distruptor Assault-Even for a heavy beam, its recharge is a staggering 12 seconds at level ten, IMO, reduce the recharge timer to around 6-8 seconds. Keep the energy drain the same however... |
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Haven't used this weapons much but I have seen it's effect...pretty weak if you ask me...a faster fire rate would be nice...
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| Reload- Playing in a Ultimate Worker for about a few hours, I found that you had to uncloak to use reloads quite a nuisence, and with a thin layer of full armor, it is certainly not worth it, especially as it takes about 6 seconds to uncloak and recloak. Allow the reload to work under cloak, but keep the paper thin armor (like a second full layer, aint much) to handle damage at least close to on par of Human supplys. |
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Just go back to uncloak, hit reload, cloak and keep reloading...but leave the armor as is...an invisable resup ship doesn't need much armor since it should be visible for only 10 seconds tops...
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| Beacons- In my honest opinion, I like better the idea of the beacon increasing the recloaking time of Kluth ships, and I also am (and always have been) in favor of removing the beacon by reload. As it is now, beacons can be spammed as a ship passes under you and have no way to avoid it. |
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I agree completely, it's annoying to be hit with a single, incredable cheap weapon, and suddenly lose your factions main ability...how would th ICC like it if the luth had a Anti-shield bomb that instantly shut off planetary shields, but only for 5 min., or an EW missile that shut off QST's? They wouldn't, and we don't like a tiny little 800 cred (I think) weapon being able to render cloak useless...
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| Bombing- Only two requests : A: Remove the fighter bays off of the Clavete, and replace them with one more Bomb slot. Additionally, Bios should come as 12, like every other bomb in the game, and reduce the Advanced Carrier to 2 bomb slots. |
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PLEASE!
Nice observations ent...
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MrSparkle
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Joined: August 13, 2001
Posts: 1912
From: mrsparkle
| Posted: 2005-07-24 11:06
Ent, you just listed exactly what Kluth have been saying. Nice to know that actually playing them makes people realize these problems fully (because just taking someone's word for usually isn't enough).
ICC and UGTO players need to read this and need to see that it's not just a case of Kluth whining. There's real problems, Som are more serious than others but add them all together and makes Kluth a lot more difficult to play effectively than they should be.
Thanks Ent!
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Joined: October 24, 2004
Posts: 204
| Posted: 2005-07-24 11:11
I think when k'luth cloak bullets shud go thru them, so u cant manually shoot them with ctrl spaces
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Banshee
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Joined: August 28, 2001
Posts: 2181
From: Philadelphia, PA
| Posted: 2005-07-24 11:15
Hijacking again.
Just had a good ICC vs Kluth fight in Lacaille.
ICC never stood a chance for two reasons.
1/ We used the cloak to its maximum potential, getting a small squad of ships within all effective weapon ranges, decloaking and firing works like a Dream, an Assault Dread lasted all of 30 seconds.
2/ Teamwork - Definate must for Kluth. I dont mean teamwork where you all jump to the same place. I mean teamwork with constant communication, Primary Target Designation, co-ordinated timings, the works.
But yes, Cloak times need reversing thats for certain. Anti-Matter Jump Drives could use a fraction of a recharge increase to make a fast turn-around viable, and maybe a slight damage increase on Disruptors evened out with a higher energy use.
Now.. back to MV with me (Never thought Id be saying that again)
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Ramius
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Joined: January 12, 2002
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From: Ramius
| Posted: 2005-07-24 11:29
Also, fix telekenetic bombs to travel within a speeds of ships for clouding.
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Azreal
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Joined: March 14, 2004
Posts: 2816
From: United State of Texas, Houston
| Posted: 2005-07-24 13:09
Why should we play through yet another nerf patch, losing pres all the way? You love them so much, you and backtalk can keep 'em. We aren't hopping because we can't win. We hopped because Kluth sucks monkey sack. We gave it a try. For two weeks we did. When we are told that that is what the Kluth will be, the final edit, so to speak, well, screw that. NTY.
So. Having fun with em? cool. Nice to know there will be some buggs to shoot at after all.
And I notice that everything you said is bugged or wrong is PRECISELY what we former Kluth said, and were told to stop whinning.
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GothThug {C?}
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Joined: June 29, 2005
Posts: 2932
| Posted: 2005-07-24 15:24
I would like to add the Projectile Weapons like Railguns, Pcannons and PSI cannons do more damage than those worthless Disrupters hehe, with a Railgun Destroyer i got a Cruiser down to 30% in shields and Jar jar binks killed him so yeah hehe
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BackSlash
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Joined: March 23, 2003
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From: Bristol, England
| Posted: 2005-07-24 15:46
Cannons arnt projectiles, they are kenetik weapons. Its the same story with all sides, except disruptors do a lot more damage than CL's and Adisruptors do a lot more damage than HCL's. You still have the upper hand weapon-wise.
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