On 2004-11-28 08:47, Az! wrote:
let's nerf the lobby

Let's nerf the Forum

icc missile dred, kluth and ugto dont have one of those
it missiles modded siphons and ead and stations (sorta) can do a pretty good impression tho

icc bomber destoyer, kluth and ugto dont have a destoyer class bomber
icc bombers- scout frigate dessie dread . ugto- scout frigate cruiser (not counting cd due to lack of use). kluth- scout, frigate, cruiser(clavate and think theres one other with a single bomb slot), both trannys, (and doesnt one of the dreads have a bomb slot also?)

ugto probably the one lacking in the bomb department, icc bomber dessie and dread is what total? 4 pcms and 7 bombs? compared to a bomber cruiser and command dread, 2 pcms and 6 bombs (+/- 2 reloads depending on how the cd's modded). jump cruiser's got 3pcms (unless thats been changed) but it generally doesnt seem to be used for bombing

pcm, missiles kluth dont have those
come .483 and beyond i belive pcms are going to be more of a ship-ship weapon than ship-surface. and since kluth have quite a bit of front-mount firepower as is........

eccm, not good for kluth and only icc and ugto can use it practicaly

ecm, all can use those icc ugto and kluth can bomb with it hide with it so all have to mount eccm , so it must go.
everyone can make use of it, kluth get a bit more use out of it, dont really need to nerf it or get rid of it. if theres a lot of ecm around, get a eccm boat, if theres a lot of eccm around, get a ecm boat. either one is pretty easily counted by the other

icc pulse beam, ugto and kluth dont have those must go
kluth have always been weak in the PD (one reason we love our carrier dreads so much }:) ) and since pulse beams and cl300/500 are beam1 devices, they are interchangeable. i carry a pulse beam on my engie, 2 on an ead, and recommed that bomber cruisers carry 2, tc's frigates and dessies at least one

icc shild, you can rotate ugto and kluth cant rotate armor
more of a faction role, icc have good defence, kluth have good offence, and ugto fall somewhere inbetween. just get a few elf beams and watch those shields dissappear

armor, kluth dont have as much as icc and ugto and it cant be rotatet and ugto have to much of it
also doesnt really need a nerf. kluth arent ment to stick around for the slugfest. jump or sneak it, get off a few salvos and bug out. rinse and repete. on the few icc ships that do mount armor, its either a single full or front mount. where as kluth tend to sport a full, and a front, most have 1 full, got a dessie with a full, front and a rear armor, and the hives got all of 5 armors, as much as a ead or tc

kluth ships, well they fighting machines and icc or ugto dont have those, do they ?
ac, tc, jc, ad, ead, mine dessie, sault dessie, missile dessies, missile dread, carrier dread, missile cruisers, assault scout, supplies, icc's 115 and 125 engies, ...... etc.

autorepair on kluth, only thing that keeps them from dieing in the first shot from an ugto ead or and icc ad
good reason to have multiple ships hitting a single target then. and autorepair doesnt repair hull that fast, especially up at cruiser and dread levels. it is pretty good at keeping systems operational, which is a tradeoff for being more easily affected by flux, emp, and the natural system failure that comes from getting damaged. if they arent dieing in the firsts shot, get a bigger first shot, or take a second shot.

all transport ships, icc ugto and kluth that can carry 10 troups they capture planets thats realy bad
dont forget extractors and stations