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CM7
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Joined: October 15, 2009
Posts: 1812
Posted: 2011-06-15 01:57   
I will be trying to test in beta the ability of small ships to stand up to dreadnaughts. I feel like there will be major issues in 1.67 for noob pilots trying to get by in sag which is mostly inhabited by dreads.
This test should focus on frigate and destroyer class ships versus dreadnaught class ships. Also these tests should be done in two man teams. (two small ships, two large ships) This will simulate tactics used in MV to deal with small ships.

ICC small ships Vs UGTO dreads

Forecast- ICC small ships well easily evade most shots made by UGTO dreads. New shield boons will nullify any lucky shots. ICC small ships will be a viable option against UGTO dreads.


UGTO small ships Vs ICC dreads

Forecast- UGTO small ships will have to come well within range of ICC dreads in order to do decent damage due to falloff. Heavy armor on UGTO small ships coupled with ICC痴 high speed projectiles will ensure most shots hit. The lower damage done by ICC weapons is a non issue due to UGTO痴 armor slow repair rate. Deploying UGTO small ships Vs ICC dreadnaught s is suicide at best.


K値uth small ships Vs UGTO dreads

Forecast- K値uth small ships will have to come in danger close (in most cases) in order to deal damage to UGTO Dreadnaughts. K値uth Frigates will be the better choice due to cloak timer, and fast JD. K値uth destroyers will have to hit and run. This scenario could go both ways, and is probably the most evenly matched of all six of these skirmishes. Due to UGTO armor self repair rate, its entirely possible for a Kluth small ships to peck a UGTO dreadnaught down to size.


Kluth small ships Vs ICC dreads

Forecast- K値uth small ships will never get anywhere Vs ICC dreads due to
ICC defense mode. They just cannot do enough damage to be affective. Deploying K値uth Small ships Vs ICC dreadnaughts is only mildly affective.


ICC and UGTO small ships Vs K値uth Dreads.

I think we all know how this will turn out. If you don稚, say so, and ill spell it out for you.


**Forecasts based on 1.66 data. Expect discrepancies and a general trend for Dreadnaughts to do even better than expected Vs small ships due to number of projectiles being increased per platform. Although beam damage has increased 1.67, this is a null issue. Lets face it, if your in beam range in 1.66 your dead.... nothing different about that in 1.67.**
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Azure Prower
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Posted: 2011-06-15 02:20   
Problem is, you're forgetting what makes small ships negligible as a threat.

Fire power and jump drives.


Unless you you have a dread pumping out the fire power. An enemy dread isn't going to worry about cruisers and below (unless it's an interdictor) because if they are being pecked down, all they have to do is jump to the nearest depot planet for their convenience.

Of course there is that new ICC cruiser full of core weapons, but even still, it's going to have to be near stationary to fire least it wants to be dead in the water with no energy.
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CM7
Midshipman
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Joined: October 15, 2009
Posts: 1812
Posted: 2011-06-15 04:06   
Quote:

On 2011-06-15 02:20, Azure Prower wrote:
Problem is, you're forgetting what makes small ships negligible as a threat.

Fire power and jump drives.


Unless you you have a dread pumping out the fire power. An enemy dread isn't going to worry about cruisers and below (unless it's an interdictor) because if they are being pecked down, all they have to do is jump to the nearest depot planet for their convenience.

Of course there is that new ICC cruiser full of core weapons, but even still, it's going to have to be near stationary to fire least it wants to be dead in the water with no energy.
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Think your going to be amazed at how powerful the SC is... and how fast it can fly and deliver its payload. Everyone is in for a shocker there.


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Kenny_Naboo
Marshal
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Joined: January 11, 2010
Posts: 3821
From: LobsterTown
Posted: 2011-06-15 04:59   

I had my ass in a Mandible taken down by a couple of SCs and a Scout.

Scout beaconed me and pinged my ass while the SCs stayed out of ruptor range and pelted me to death. Of course I could've jumped away. But it was Beta, so I wanted to see how long I could hold out against the SC.
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Azure Prower
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Joined: March 14, 2006
Posts: 308
Posted: 2011-06-15 07:13   
Reason why many don't use small ships (with the exception of yourself Gerlach) is because:
1. You do more damage in a dread or station.
2. You get more pres by doing more damage faster as a dread or station.
3. If you can't destroy the enemy dread or station by the time their jump drive has recharged from cool down, then you may as well not bother unless you have an interdictor field/ship handy.

Makes me wonder how different DarkSpace would be if we had no jump drives or they were made a luxury.



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Gejaheline
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Galactic Navy


Joined: March 19, 2005
Posts: 1127
From: UGTO MUNIN HQ, Mars
Posted: 2011-06-15 07:29   
Having actually used UGTO cruisers against ICC dreadnaughts in beta, I can confidently say that UGTO small ships will not have problems with being railgunned and/or ion cannoned to death.

An UGTO torpedo cruiser can happily evade the majority of railgun fire up to just about the range of its torpedoes, meaning it can do a lot of damage to an ICC deadnaught by effectively performing hit-and-evade tactics.

UGTO destroyers and below are smaller, faster, and more manoeuverable than UGTO cruisers, meaning they can get even closer without being hit reliably.

Thus, I predict that it shouldn't be impossible to whittle away at a dreadnaught with one's torpedoes and cannons. Not that it'll be easy, since destroyers can't one-shot dreadnaughts, but it's not a losing proposition to field a pack of destroyers, in my opinion. You just have to make sure you pick the right destroyer for the job; one with lots of torpedoes.
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Pantheon
Marshal
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Joined: May 29, 2001
Posts: 1741
Posted: 2011-06-15 08:43   
Beams no longer have level modifiers, and are based upon the original cruiser values, or around that. So you'll actually find small ships have received a large buff and dreadnoughts have received a slightly nerf. This coupled with layout changes, and you've actually got smaller ships which are much better than their release counterparts, and dreadnoughts which have largely only received fixes to some ships and modifications of others.

As I've mentioned in other topics pertaining beta, please refrain from posting feedback unless it has been tested.
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